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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Just layer up the inefficiencies and corporate profit. **** the referendum on water, we need a referendum to ensure that on days of surplus renewable electricity, consumers cannot be charged more per kWh than any of these hydrogen/ammonia/pumped hydro/industrial battery shysters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    You forgot main difference. If you run out of fuel you can find petrol station literally on every corner and tank upp full in 2 minutes.

    With EV you will have to look considerably longer and if you are lucky and there is not a queue in front of you then you will have to wait quite some time to fuel up.

    My point was not comparing EV with ICE cars. I was pointing out that our grid is not built to support them in any meaningful quantity. Mainly considering idiotic ideas of banning ICE cars by 2030.

    As for secondhand EV's have a look how much cost replacement battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Some call it waffle others call it hopium. Fact is it is prime example of living in cookoo land using nonexistent technologies as argument. These things are still only experimental and will take a lot of time to implement. If it even is possible to implement at scale required according to your dreams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    This is common problem with green disciples. They do not think about stuff they hear, they simply believe what dear leader say.

    Then you hear about all those fantastic ideas which so far exist on paper only or as a small r&d projects. But hey, someone somewhere figure that out so they hope.

    Let us put heat pump in every house and ban ICE cars because something somethig hydrogen, miracle new batteries and someone sure figure out where we get all that copper and steel needed for rebuilding our grid.

    As long as those mines and smelters are way out of sight somewher in Africa or Asia because we want to pretend we live in green paradise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Another conspiracy theory comes to a life...


    And to have a little fun with ole John and his constant fearmongering just watch that chap going bananas.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,751 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland



    Unless Tesla improves its quality, collision repair costs, and residual values, the second-largest rental fleet in Europe (and fourth-largest in the U.S.) won’t include cars from the American automaker.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Tesla are too powerful and fast for rental cars. Especially using a technology lots of drivers are not used to. The number of drivers who sit in them, forget they're on, and bang into a car next to them in a parking lot must be huge. Then there's the temptation to 'see what they can do' from people who have never driven an electric car before.

    (you get used to it really quickly as an owner, but rentals are driven by inexperienced users almost by definition)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It's not a conspiracy. Green campaigners have been calling for a way to ration long haul flights in a fair way.

    If some people take frivolous weekend breaks to New York several times a year, they are using far more than their fair share of carbon emissions, while others might need to take a long haul flight to visit a dying relative or for legitimate business reasons.

    There are 3 ways of restricting Co2 emissions if there isn't a way of reducing the pollution from a technological solution.

    1. increasing the financial costs of pollution for everyone, (this impacts the poor andand middle classes while barely affecting the rich who are already the ones using way more than their fair share)

    2. Target the cost increases to the heaviest users by giving people a reasonable allocation with increasing costs for going above this. Should have the most impact on the most wasteful users)

    3. Impose strict rations (would be unworkable as some people travel as an integral part of their job and this cannot be avoided or would lead to corruption)


    A carbon passport would work as a reverse 'air miles' system. Instead of rewarding frequent flyers, it would penalise them. Maybe that meeting can be held over zoom instead of in person after all

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    That time in green bandcamp a week ago a Green minister traveled in luxury to UAE to be wined and dined by rich oilmen who sold him onto tech which will allow said oilmen to continue pumping oil

    Aside: did you find them costs for “ammonia” or where you just taking the piss (haha pun)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    How much longer? I have a lovely big diesel car and an electric. Now on both of them if I want fuel I push a button on the console and it shows me all the stations I can refill at. Of course every morning I get up to a full tank in the electric. Even only the diesel had the same option.

    In terms of Green policies and Ireland, do you honestly think one of the smallest markets in Europe has any say over what cars a manufacturer makes? we could ban electric tomorrow and not a single one would care. The decision to stop making diesels is coming from the bigger markets and we are just following.

    "As for secondhand EV's have a look how much cost replacement battery."

    Why are you replacing the battery? this is the line spun out all the time and in reality the same as a combustion car by the time the battery does require replacement the car will have already done huge milage. So the question then is it worth fixing or scrapping. The same as you would have in a combustion car if the maintenance costs get too high.

    The grid is not built to support? if I go back 10 years you would say the grid is not built to support the load today. The grid will be upgraded and built to support what is required.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I do love the irony of the greens who on one hand openly welcome and push mass immigration to an island nation while on the other bitch about air travel increasing in this country.

    Should our new residents be restricted to travelling by boat, train and bike to their homelands to see family and friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Also, you really shouldn't be poisoning your brain by reading sites like Modernity news. It's not good for you.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    A green supporter with two cars?!

    to quote Greta “how dare you!!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ramon Ryan shouldn't have 'travelled in Luxury' but he needed to go to the COP as he is our Minister for the Environment. (although if he refused to go in protest as this one was a disgraceful sham, I would have supported him)


    It costs 50c to build a GW scale green hydrogen plant and Ammonia production facility.

    This number is about as believable as your 26 billion for 4 nuclear reactors

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    50 cent 😒

    here I have a stick to sell ya it’s environmentally degradable and if you hold it under your nose you can smell the ammonia molecules from the manure pile it was dipped in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    My used Nissan leaf has lost 15 percent battery over 7 years of driving and 100 thousand kilometers. And the Leaf is the 1st gen battery technology which suffers the worst degradation. 15% over 7 years of typical driving is acceptable and the car is still running like new

    A similar 2017 hyundai Ioniq could still be reporting g less than 5% battery degredation

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And yet it's just as believable as your figure of 26 billion for 4 nuclear reactors in Ireland

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    The spent less than this in UAE which your green minister travelled to and spending less in Poland now for Korean reactors

    Its also an order of magnitude less than 200+ billion to be spent on offshore wind and dozens of billions on new grids and and unknown amount of billions on hydrogen and ammonia “storage”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The actual cost of creating electricity from ammonia in a converted CCGT station (like the one they're converting in Whitegate) will be about 30c per Kwh if the cost of Ammonia is about a euro per KG which it's projected to be if the hydrogen is generated using surplus wind power at low costs per unit

    As a reserve emergency backup power source, this is reasonable.

    Backup power is always much more expensive than the baseload power because it uses expensive infrastructure that doesn't benefit from efficiencies of scale

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    Once again 200 billion every two dozen years is not low cost

    that’s what something like 4 NAMAs

    or our whole national debt

    and that’s before we get to the cost of generating and storing ammonia from up to 37GW of unreliable wind power which you still have not provided



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


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    Here's the cost of Ammonia production. Focus on the green lines. This is ammonia from hydrolysed Hydrogen. It depends on the cost of the electricity used to power the reaction.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I didn't think there is something in the constitution that suggests this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    what is the source for this graph?

    assuming it is for ammonia now calculate how much it will cost to build (capex) and run (opex) a plant to convert up 37GWh of electricity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    200bn every 2 decades is pure nonsense propaganda using maths for idiots

    But you believe it because other idiots keep repeating it at you

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    Oh really? Care to show some calculations to show otherwise how much it will cost to build and run 37GW of offshore wind where 28% of it is the even more expensive floaty kind that costs double HinkleyC

    while your at it provide references and do the maths for ammonia piss taking tech too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It doesn't matter how much it costs to build and run it if it's being built and run by private companies. It only matters how much the electricity will cost to consumers

    And your 200 billion every 24 years is as ridiculous as saying ' it costs a billion to build a road, the toll booth at the end of the road needs to be replaced after 20 years, therefore the cost of replacing the toll booth is another billion euros.

    That's the level of calculations you're spewing out here, so forgive me if I don't waste my Saturday morning gathering financial projections that you won't read or be capable of interpreting anyway

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    Yet when it comes to nuclear the argument thrown is the cost

    And yes it does matter because

    1. irish consumers would be paying for this ever more expensive energy
    2. when these limited companies fold under their unsustainable costs and the directors sail away on their yachts to warmer shores it’s the Irish taxpayer who would pickup the tab

    The fact that you consistently avoid in showing any costings is an illustration as to why all this green nonsense is a a scam that is being perpetrated and pushed on Irish people by vested interests who look at us like plump rich cows that can be scammed and milked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    These offshore wind turbines are out in rough salty seas you be lucky if they last 25 years in first place unlike a road in your silly analogy

    nuclear plants on other hand have lifespans of 60+ years and are proper infrastructure that doesn’t need to be build in harshest environments imaginable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    One of the arguments is the cost. The other is the fact that in Ireland there would be so many objections and challenges that the things would never get built

    Even if they were free, they're no good to anyone if it takes 30 years to build them

    It's taken 2 3 decades to not even finish a children's hospital that people actually want to live near

    https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2023/06/20/national-childrens-hospital-timeline/

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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