Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Those children are victims of Israel. Hamas have their own crimes to answer for.

False equivalence.

I haven't seen anybody say that the murder of Israeli civilians was justified. However we have had a call for the "extermination" of Palestinians on this very page.

What is going on is a genocide.

You can't presume what another would think or do, though one would not be surprised if Tell Me How was just describing it as a few aul rapes and Timberrr saying she had just shi7 her pants and their foreheads all sweat and blood pressure up watching .

I've seen enough from that poster to know they make no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians. The poster also used the word "cockroaches". Remind you of anything from the past? Anybody from the past?

Israel has said enough and acted enough to know that it sees no distinction between Hamas and civilians.

This is a genocide. It isn't anything else.

Here's how seriously Israel takes the issue of rape. It literally shuts down people who raise it and declares them terrorist entities.

And don't forget to also add: all of whom would have been alive if it wasn't for Israel.

I’d disagree. There’s plenty of argument that it’s genocide across numerous forums and also from people more familiar with the terms and how it’s classed than you are. You are of course entitled to you opinion. What’s your thoughts on the use of white phosphorous? The bombing doesn’t look strategic to me. Just because it hasn’t been tried, which it wouldn’t be anyway until all this is over doesn’t mean the intent isn’t there.

Can I ask… does the oppression of LGBTQ in Arab populations mean that Palestinian civilians deserve what they’re getting now?

You're going to have to explain what you mean here, and why I should not interpret this as you calling me a holocaust denier.

If that is what you are doing, give a post number or link to something to justify you making this claim.

Because they depend on foreign support for their survival?

If they lose the support of the US or European populations ,what have they left to defend themselves with?

Right and wrong go out the window when you have to contend with the possibility of physical extermination or wholesale eviction.

They have the upper hand against their nearest neighbours (the Palestinians and their "representatives"/goalers) but if the neighbouring countries smell blood is it not possible that they would combine to find a second "final solution" for the Israelis?

Genocide? You mean what the Gazans, Iranians, Hezbollah etc would do to the Jews if they got the chance?

Genocide like Israel is actually perpetrating right now.

What sickens me and worries is that there are people championing all this while having children of their own. That's scary.

Sick in the head.

Starry: Independent website Mondoweiss.net reports on apparent complicity in Pro-Israeli Propaganda from Human Rights Watch during temporary ceasefire

And…

“Human Rights Watch’s double standards put Palestinian lives at risk​"

"Amid calls for the extension of the truce and a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, HRW decided to publish a misleading report on the targeting of Al-Ahli Hospital on October 17 without conducting a genuine investigation or providing conclusive evidence regarding their speculations.​"

‘Findings’ without evidence: Human Rights Watch’s report on the Al-Ahli Hospital attack’

'Human Rights Watch’s misleading report on the Al-Ahli Hospital attack was published without a genuine investigation or conclusive evidence. Such double standards are putting Palestinian lives at risk.'

By Soheir Asaad, Muna Haddad and Rania Muhareb December 5, 2023

‘Findings’ without evidence: Human Rights Watch’s report on the Al-Ahli Hospital attack

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"Despite drawing on inconclusive evidence, not having had access to the scene, and concluding that it could neither “confirm” nor establish its finding “with precision,” HRW insinuates that the attack on Al-Ahli “resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups.” Yet, it maintains that it “has not been able to conclusively identify” the munition in question and that a “full investigation” is needed. One is left to wonder why HRW would publish such a report at all if there is insufficient evidence to draw conclusions regarding the Al-Ahli attack.

Speculation over evidence​

"Despite lacking conclusive evidence, the Al-Ahli report makes dangerous insinuations, the implications of which are severe in a context where HRW has acknowledged that lives literally “hang in the balance.” Riddled with speculative and vague language, the report fails to provide links or detailed explanations and analysis regarding the videos and photos reviewed. HRW admits it is unable to verify essential information and presents no new data or credible analysis beyond that already examined by professional groups. Indeed, Forensic Architecture, Al-Haq, and Earshot have cast “significant doubt” on the Israeli military allegation that the attack on Al-Ahli Hospital resulted from a rocket misfire, maintaining that “Israel has yet to provide any conclusive evidence” supporting this claim.

"HRW’s report effectively discredits Palestinian voices and international demands calling for an end to the attacks on Gaza. Even when referencing Palestinian lives lost in the Al-Ahli Hospital massacre, HRW dismisses the number of victims in an absurd manner, claiming it has looked at “images” that “display between 65 and 75 body bags, rolled-up carpets, and bodies.” This is clearly not a valid method or tool of any sort to challenge the veracity of Palestinian “casualties” reported on the ground. HRW even questions “whether all of these victims were from the Al-Ahli explosion.”

Starry: ^ Essential to read above article in FULL. ^