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Missed collecting a JA payment due to a covid infection, now I'm being denied access to the payment

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,254 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    What would stop you being able to work remotely (available for work) and searching for jobs (seeking work) online, whilst having Covid?

    If someone broke their leg and was in hospital for 4 weeks, they wouldnt be able to claim JA?

    Is there something else they could claim instead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    Appeal it if you can and what's more go to your local FF or FG TD (do not waste your time on a Green, SF, etc. Most departments are stacked with FF or FG over the decades) and tell them what happened and to champion the appeal for you and how you haven't two Penny's to rub together.

    Not even joking, if you can turn on the waterworks it will benefit you a lot too. Also throw in how you always voted him/her and they are the only ones you can turn to, especially with polls at the moment they are nervous.

    A quiet word from whatever TDs contact in the department will straighten it out I'll guarantee that. Just make sure to drop in a tub of sweets to the TDs secretary if it gets sorted, keep her sweet if you pardon the pun, as it will be most likely her sorting it. Plus you never know might need their help in future.

    You can also go down the local welfare community officer and explain your situation, you had COVID and were trying to do the right thing and not infect anyone especially elderly who would use the PO more and again I stress, the waterworks. They might cut you cheque for something at the very least to keep you going.

    Also SVDP would be very helpful if you worried about food, it would be something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,254 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It does seem harsh that you cant claim it if you were ill with covid and are told by the govt to self isolate.

    Yet other people spend a life time claiming money for nothing.

    Its a strange old country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    OP has nothing to loose by appealing. It they had signed on, got the payment a, then got covid or other illness the following day , and he unable to look for work or work, there is no way to clawback. So it is possible to be on JSA and not capable of work (due to illness) and not loose the payment



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're wrong. Inpatients do have their jobseekers stopped.

    They are in hospital and not available for work. The op can claim illness benefit and it refused, can claim supplementary welfare.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,254 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Thanks.

    Could the OP not claim SWA in this instance?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Anyone can apply for SWA if they have applied for another payment, (JSA/JSB for example), while they are waiting for that application to be heard. It’s heavily means tested.

    In this case it’s not clear if the OP has reapplied for Jobseekers B/A (they mention that their interaction with the local SW lasted “2 minutes”) so it wouldn’t seem that they have applied for anything or sought to resolve the situation.

    They can return to the office at any time and seek to resolve the application, but only if they do that could they then apply for SWA.

    Someone mentions “ Appealing” the refusal of Jobseekers.

    You could do that but you’d need a letter of refusal of jobseekers from the local office (they might have got that in the post afterwards), a completed appeals form and you’d need to have a grounds for appeal, (“I don’t think the rules are fair” isn’t grounds BTW). Appeals are taking 6 months. You can apply for SWA while you are appealing but only if you meet the conditions for JS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Oh for god's sake some of the "exhausted" over dramatics of posters on this thread need to calm tf down, or go have a nap or something.

    They also need to stop behavng as if this board is their personal domain.

    The fact is, the OP was denied their payment by an incompetent Officer whom they spoke to for "two minutes". That shouldn't have happened.

    Whereas if they had informed INTREO in advance that they could not collect, that would not have happened.

    An accommodation would have been made - it would have been held over for a few days at the post office. No changing to another payment. A deciding officer could have authorised this.

    Now, funnily enough, when someone else pointed this out, and that post was liked by the very poster who is "so exhausted" at jumping all over me.

    And I'm the one being called "petulant"? Talk about dramatics. No matter, it's water off a ducks back to me.

    Now, back to the real world.

    Oh and one final point - the temporary agent form WAS available for Covid19. Its literally printed on the form I linked too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,116 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    If someone broke their leg or was Hospitalised they apply for illness benefit or if not enough contributions, SWA. The rules may be harsh but are very clear, if incapable of work, they are not entitled to a Jobseekes payment

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,116 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You've been handed your Arse & still at this absurd nonsense.

    You may disagree with facts but offering factually incorrect information doesn't help the OP.

    You claim to have been a Civil servant for 30 years to somehow justify your petulance. Everything with DSP is black & white, a person is entitled to a payment or not.

    I've checked my spelling & hope it's up to "you're" exacting standards.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,978 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The fact is, the OP was denied their payment by an incompetent Officer whom they spoke to for "two minutes". That shouldn't have happened.

    Yes it should have happened.

    The OP didn't attend for his collection, didn't bother notifying anybody and afterwards told the clerk that he had been unavailable for work.

    It was 100% factually correct to deny jobseekers benefit for that week.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Brayson Nice Stockade


    Maybe you should’ve just stayed away instead of coming back to make more of a show of yourself…

    OP, please understand that your JSA will be cut off if you miss payments without notifying the DEASP first. It doesn’t matter why you MUST tell them.

    You might be currently unemployed but you treat JSA the same as though you were.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    On what grounds are you alleging that the SW staff member is incompetent?!? What in how he dealt with the customer demonstrated incompetence?

    The customer presented in the office not meeting the terms and conditions for jobseekers on at least two grounds (failed to collect his payment in the required date, failed to notify the department of a change in circumstances) and was refused as per the law.

    How is that incompetence?

    You need to forget about that agent form. That agent form no longer applies. It was applying during the lockdown but that’s over now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Actual experience. Something you don't have.

    Goodbye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    The OP didn't inform anyone or collect their payment because they were following HSE guidelines and most likely they were in the (commonly held) belief that their payment would be available in the post office for a few days.

    Happens all the time, and it should not have resulted in a complete loss of their payment for a week - especially if this was the first time something like this had happened. Denying them their payment was someone making an (imo) poor judgement call.

    And yes, deciding officers can make judgement calls.

    And that's my final say on the matter.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Brayson Nice Stockade


    No it should have though that’s what you’re not getting. If they didn’t go to work for a week would you expect their employer still process their wages??

    You’re trying to blame the DEASP when the OP demonstrated the incompetence or lack of respect and decency to lift the phone and call them.

    This is entirely their own fault and your refusal to accept that is bordering on dangerous misinformation. You are telling JSA claimants they can do what they like which will end with people losing money.

    easy for you when your income isn’t affected to come in here belligerent and rude and acting like a know it all. You’ve been proven 110% wrong numerous times and yet here you still are banging the same drum.

    You’re wrong. Just get over it and stop telling OP he has impunity to break the rules without incident. You’re just screwing with their income at this stage and I will be reporting you for that. You’d want to have a shake of the head and think what’s more important, being right on boards or someone’s income they depend on…

    will you be paying them the money they stand to lose taking your advice in future??



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Brayson Nice Stockade


    Also how the heck is covid an excuse to not contact the DEASP??

    When you’re self isolating I didn’t see the part you can’t make phone calls or send emails….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,110 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...system goes duh! again....

    ...best of luck op....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,978 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The OP has already claimed to be online during the entirety of their covid isolation, so what was stopping them making a phone call or sending an email?

    Please do not claim that HSE guidelines had anything to do with the OP not contacting Intreo, it is yet another way you are completely wrong in this thread.

    Talk about judgement calls is nothing but obfuscation, you are claiming facts when the only fact that matters is that the clerk was 100% factually correct in their actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,116 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    So you were not a Civil servant for 30 years 🤔 Tut Tut, which is it

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,116 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    They we're following convent guidelines and deciding offers are not sitting in Intero centres waiting to assess cases where someone has decided not to collect their Jobseekers payment.

    Keep Digging, this is amusing

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    37 years and counting. Multiple departments.

    How long have you been a serving civil servant?

    Don't answer. I already know the answer. Putting you on ignore.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Brayson Nice Stockade


    Ezeoul exactly what does it matter if Dempo is a civil servant? They’re still correct and you’re still wrong.

    Would you ever just grow up. No ones going to back off and let you spread dangerously wrong information to the OP in the state benefits forum.

    You accused me of knowing nothing because I’m a chef, so what job do I require before I can be correct on the matter? I already am but I don’t work in the correct industry I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Did you read the opening post?

     The payment expired as I was testing positive for an entire week and still had to avoid going out in public for a further few days after recovering (HSE says up to 5)

    The OP said they were still testing positive after a few days, and they referred to the HSE guidelines which are still to self-isolate.

    So it's incorrect to say its nothing to do with the guidelines when the OP referred to them.

    So, you and others here can immediately jump to the conclusion that OP was up to something deliberately fraudulent, I took them at face value as we're supposed to do on this forum.

    Now, y'all have a nice day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751


    What is the hse’s take on being vaccinated and self isolating?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,978 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    There is not one single HSE guideline that prevented the OP sending an email to Intreo. There is not one single HSE guideline that stopped the OP from picking up the phone and ringing them.

    Stop making a bloody show of yourself.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Throughout this entire thread you’ve demonstrated, to great hilarity, that you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about and are just one of life’s know it alls who people dreading meeting and and snigger at behind your back.

    From claiming, and insisting repeatedly despite being corrected by several posters , that jobseekers can appoint a temporary agent to maintaining that jobseekers can continue while a claimant is in hospital it’s been quite hilarious. If it wasn’t for the fact that you deliberately tried to mislead the OP just so you wouldn’t have to admit you were wrong then I’d say I nearly enjoyed it.

    Goodbye.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,116 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Missing you already, terrible to be caught out isn't it. I had a very successful career in Hospitality, travelled the world and just recently awarded DA, something I have posted about openly . You've chosen to insult people on here, that's bad enough but to keep up this pretence, you know anything about how DSP works is just embarrassing and posting factual incorrect information outrageous

    Byeeeee 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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