Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Some very dubious historical references and rewriting of history there.

The Nazis didnt just move the Jews to a different area did they? They moved them to death camps.

Were Jews launching rocket attacks against Germans?

This is the sort of lazy Nazi comparison that borders on anti semitism and demonstrates Godwins Law.

Was that the only example you could think of to compare Israel to or was it chosen because to cause maximum insult to Israel and Jews?

How about the Germans displaced back to Germany at end of WW2? No?

And the reason why Israel didnt respond to Iraqs provocations wasnt just because the US told them not to was it? Well?

It was because the US hit Iraqi military, across the board and with special focus on rocket launch sites. Targets in citieswere also hit during the campaign. Was that blood on their hands then?

So are you advocating that the US should directly attack Hamas targets instead? Is that what you think Bush would have done? Would that not mean blood on US hands?

Your version of events makes no sense.

Another video.

Imagine this poor guy going to work and seeing this c*nt walking up to him day after day.

Just watched on Al Jazera, 2 people pick up body parts of 3 Lebanese journalists, blown up by an Israeli drone on the border. The camera was on a stand, untouched. All were said to be wearing press markings and had their car nearby, also flagged as press. We all know the superb video quality of military grade drones, so draw your own conclusions.

It's unbelievable what Israel is doing and getting away with.

The US and Europe, the so called civilised world, have no longer a moral authority (if they ever had) to lecture China or Russia.

The one thing that amazes me is, the so called barbarian terrorists, to my knowledge, have not put any of the kidnapped people on camera or never made a request with a deadline to start murdering them. Which leads me to believe the madmen can see their reflection in the Israeli government

Yes, the suspicion would be that these guys would be way too influential in US foreign policy in previous years - the country didn't become strongly pro-Israeli and indifferent to the Palestinians by accident.

Seems to be far too much of this going on publicly to think it's the extreme side of zionism. This is what's being said in public imagine what is being said out of the lime light.

I'm pretty confident this is a prevalent view and fairly normalised in Israeli government supporters tbh. There's actually very little evidence to counter this. No real middle ground voices.

All hostages?

Israel has dropped more bombs on Gaza in a month than the US dropped on Afghanistan in a year.

And by their own figures have called only a handful of Hamas people.

So if they're only bombing strategic military targets, and 15k+ have been killed, why are they have then been so sh*t at what they're pretending they're doing?

In your blinkered world, you just unquestioningly swallow zionist propaganda:

UN school bombed to bits in Gaza - "there were indecipherable squiggles on the blackboard that could have been Hamas military plans so it was a strategic target".

Israeli tank hit by an RPG in the middle of Gaza city - "Evil Hamas injure 2 Israeli civilian day-trippers minding their own business"

Tell us how you know what Hamas aim at and what Israel aim at? Because we sure don't see any footage of classrooms strewn with bodies on dead kids on the Israeli side of the fence.

I could count on one hand the amount of times Emily hand, the Irish child being held hostage, has been mentioned on this thread. Irish people don't seem to care tbh. Poor girl turned 9 there last week, can't imagine what she is going through, and her family.

It's been weeks and we are still stuck at the concept of people arguing against something when others defend it. That's why there are marches and debate. Because unlike October 7th, large swathes of people actually support Israel's response.

Anything else happen between the withdrawal and some point in 2023 that might have resulted in the Gaza population dropping?

Anything? Take a minute, it will come to you.

Yes, those monitoring the Israeli media suggest there is a lot of crazy stuff going on - extreme opinions everywhere on what is happening in Gaza, cheerleading for the IDF, 'Hamas must be crushed at all costs' etc. At the moment, the place is more akin to life in a heavily militarised authoritarian dictatorship than a western democracy.

I think when you have a barricaded people who cannot leave or fend for themselves, and you shut off their food and water because of a terrorist attack, and you bomb the entire strip of land from top to bottom including places of worship, hospitals, and refugee camps, and then you want to proclaim that it is not a genocide, you need to give it another name. It certainly isn't war and it isn't trying to follow the rules of war. So what do you call it?

So, your argument is showing land actually called Palestine and but less than in the first map, and your image then shows the continued taking of land from Palestine between that time and modern day. So we're in agreement that Palestine has continually lost land to the benefit of Israel. Good to know.

But, leaving that aside, why didn't you comment on the more relevant image in the post, the Israeli PM at the UN from just 2 months ago?

Wait that pic is real?? I thought it was a meme.