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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    There is a complete break in logic right in the middle of this post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Should I post the video of Hamas parading around the hostages they captured? Great cheering and celebrating going on.

    You can post it when I post saying that Hamas should continue their objective, as you have done. Or do you not get how this works?

    No one is supporting Hamas, you, and plenty others are most definitely supporting Israel. They are the ones who have killed probably 15K+ people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So shameful that Jewish people were given specific protection in the 1937 constitution and Israel dedicated a forest in Israel to Éamon De Valera in recognition for his unwavering support for the Jewish people.

    So discriminatory that as many Jewish people were elected TDs as Protestants in many Dails, representing each of the then, 3 main political parties and Jewish TDs have been members of the Dail continuously for the first 93 years of the state.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Despite countless public claims that show Israel wishes to destroy Gaza, it is in fact Hamas who is committing genocide. Surely they must understand that this conflict has been going on for decades and did not start on the 7th of October



    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I've literally listened to the words of Israel Ministers, leadership and military.

    Judasim is not so special that it gets a 'get out of jail free card' called 'anti-Semitism' that it can use to absolve it of analysis or being held to account for its genocidal actions. What a ridiculous assumption that it does.

    Please tell me how me accurately reporting what these people have said, and taking them at their word as to their intent, amounts to me targeting the Jewish fate. Or maybe you don't know what antiSemitism means.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,034 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,034 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No just that its no surprise the likes of you would be getting "news" from there. The views line up seamlessly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What is the 'likes of me'?

    Someone appalled at the continue focused and deliberate target of 2.5M people after decades of subjugation resulting in the deaths of 10's of thousands of them in a week?

    Is that mindset so repugnant to you? But of course you targeting the poster is telling of how close to the bone the video cuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Ulixes


    I'm sure given your very strong opinions on the subject you must know the history of the region, so you must be aware that the map you posed is incorrect.

    Why are you not acknowledging that it was Egypt, Jordan and Syria that invaded Arab Mandated Palestinian and Egypt and Jordan occupied and annexed Gaza and the West Bank respectively?

    I'm sure you are aware of the fact that it was Jordan and Egypt that denied the Palestinian Arabs a homeland, not the Israelis.

    I'm sure you know that in 1948 Israel had accepted the UN plan for the partition of Palestine.

    I'm sure you know all about the Great Arab Revolt, Hussein bin Ali, the unified Arab State which the British promised to support and how artificial and recent the concept of ethno-nationalism is in the region.


    So, again, why are posting what you must know are totally false maps?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There has been quite a few posters supporting or defending Hamas over the course of the thread. Those who won't condemn them for their atrocities, the "just asking questions" brigade. Those who insinuate the entire operation was some sort of Israeli false flag operation. There were even some posts in the early stages of the thread with posts virtually cheering on Hamas, what's that phrase - sneaking regard, no doubt from those who were the sort to cheer on terrorism here.

    If you think no one is supporting Hamas, you just haven't been paying attention to the thread.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,034 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Cute, its almost like you dont want to admit their reporter Eugene Puryears comments, will you be able to admit to agreeing with him or just pretend not to know about them?

    "And as you might have seen, there was some sort of rave or desert party where they were having a great time, until the resistance came in electrified hang gliders and took at least several dozen hipsters, and I'm sure they're doing very fine despite what the New York Post says".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Ulixes


    Please post links to Israeli Ministers, leadership or Military saying that they intend to commit genocide, kill all Palestinian Arabs in Gaza or push out the Palestinian Arab population of Gaza. You'll also have to show me where they detail their plans for the 1.6 million Palestinian Arabs who are citizens of Israel, you know, the only ones who can be openly atheist or gay. If we're talking genocide then there must be a plan to kill all of those as well and since your opinion is based on what you have heard from Israeli Ministers, leadership and Military you've obviously heard them talking about their plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like a new script has been handed out lately. How many Israeli civilians have died since the 7th considering they are being annihalated


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I've posted a video, the content speaks for itself. That is the focus, not whatever you are trying to imply or deflect to in some bizarre manner.

    You doing so proves itself as to just how the messages in the video blow apart this BS Israeli narrative that all they care about is the hostages.

    So, comment on that, or don't, I don't care. But I'm not going to be sidetracked in what ever manner you are attempting. It's quite laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I don't 'have to' do anything.

    The links have been posted several times already. I'm not here to make your argument for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,034 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So its the adorable word salad regurgitated so you can pretend your source hasn't praised Hamas "resistance" before.

    Like I said, perfect source for you and your ilk.

    Predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Explaining where Hamas has come from, and saying that you can understand how it has originated does not equate to supporting Hamas.

    I've no doubt there's the odd outlier who has appeared in the thread and made a dramatic statement before being removed, or tottering off themselves. But there's plenty of us here for a long time advocating on behalf of the Palestinian people who are being butchered. Those are the accounts that are relevant in a discussion as prolonged and intense as this has been.

    And I've no reason to look selectively at this, I'm perfectly comfortable with facing the reality of what is being posted were it to be posted, but I've never seen this support that I'm consistently told is happening frequently. And I've spent a lot of time here over the last several weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You made a statement that there are no Hamas supporters on the thread, this doesn't even begin to justify that claim. Then you even go and contradict yourself that there are Hamas supporters popping up!

    You can't keep your story straight. It is a total falsehood.

    If you think there's nobody on the thread supporting Hamas, you just haven't been paying attention. It can be more subtle than then obvious ones you allude to.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,034 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Theres none so blind as those who refuse to see.

    Its comical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ah, now it's the 'maps are fake' nonsense.

    These maps have been referenced in the thread nearly since its opened but now it's 'the maps are fake approach'?

    Tell me, was Nethanyahu's map he presented at the UN fake as well? That only happened in September, so which is it, he was lying, or showing intent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Ulixes


    Do you really not know what happened when Dev tried to let in boat loads of Jewish orphans fleeing Nazi Germany?

    His actions, in the face of the Dail, public opinion and the Catholic Church, is why there is a forest named after him.

    His support was unwavering. Not so much the rest of the country. Look up the text of the maiden speech of Oliver Flanagan in the Dail in 1943. Highlights include "There is one thing the Germans did and that was to rout the Jews out of their country" and "They crucified our Saviour 1900 years ago and they are crucifying us every day since". He had a long career, later serving as Minister for Defence. His voice was more in line with the broader public view.

    Then read about the Pogroms in Limerick Pogroms in 1904. The only Irish political leaders to speak out against them were Michael Davit and John Redmond. The main instigator was Fr John Creagh who preached unbelievable bile and hatred towards the small number of Jewish refugees who had sought refuge in Limerick. He was backed strongly by the Irish Bishops.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Ulixes


    The Map you posted showing the Arab and Jewish Palestinian areas is nonsense. Did you now know that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Either name posters, or post links, or don't. do whatever you want.

    Time and time and time again I see posts saying 'The Hamas supporters on the thread' but I genuinely can't recall seeing someone pointing out specifically within a post where it implies support for Hamas. It's always this vague 'hamas supporters in the thread'

    I haven't even seen periodic Hamas supporters popping but I'm sure on a thread with 21K posts there have been some.

    But this is like the old 'BLM protests are violent' when the arrest rate was something like 0.02% of people who attended protests or probably even smaller. Or like the 'the Palestine marches are hate marches' because theres a handful of hateful signs at a march of 100's of thousands of people.

    Post links, name names, or don't. But stop pretending that you get to declare what is happening on the thread just because it is your say so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Ulixes


    But you're only advocating for the Palestinian Arabs that are being killed, not the Palestinian Jews, the ones who were actually literally butchered. You only seem to be advocating for the Palestinian Arabs who have been killed by Israeli weapons, with no real energy expended to contextualise why and who put them in harms way.


    You're also not explaining where Hamas has come from, not even close. You are regurgitating anti-Israeli rhetoric that in devoid of real historical context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,034 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You'll get more flip flop word salad as a rebuttal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    Tbf, there is actually plenty of sources available for this online. I posted this a while ago but still relevant to your question. If it’s not sufficient let me know and I'm sure I could easily pull more out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Sir_Name




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Eh, you are the one who stated there were no Hamas supporters on the thread. Then you destroyed your own argument by saying they were Hamas supporters on the thread. You can't keep your story straight. So now we get this "word salad".

    Then you again destroy your own argument by posting this: "Stop pretending that you get to declare what is happening on the thread just because it is your say so."

    Isn't that exactly what you have done? And can't even keep your story straight when doing so.

    So your words rebound right back at you.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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