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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,628 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Not sure why the old fashioned word, treason, doesn't apply to both the mob and Trump's actions on Jan 6th?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭smokingman


    Let's face it, someone with a tiny penis (as described by the prostitute he slept with while his wife was giving birth) is still struggeling with his daddy issues..at that age. He is a child and can't be taught a dogs new tricks. At that age, if he can't have already have grown as a person, and anyone who supports him sees that in him. America has become a place where that can't happen for the ordinary person. That's their society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Looks like TFG's a convicted insurrectionist (the court finding is a finding of fact) but staying on the ballot in Colorado, too. Still there may be an appeal.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,628 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think we all saw Trump swear an Oath of Allegience to the Constitution and the United States of America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    The interesting thing is that presidents are the only officers that don’t have to swear to support the constitution. That’s why the judge allowed him to remain on the ballot. It’s such a mental country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,229 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Morally, yes Trump and his Gravy Seals should be labelled “Traitors”, charged with “Treason” and sanctioned accordingly.

    Trick is, the legal definition of Traitor and Treason varies from country to country, and in the States I believe these mostly just apply to wartime acts or proven work on behalf of a hostile nation. This is why “insurrectionist” is the word the gets used more. Thanks to the Civil War they have a framework to sanction people who tried to overthrow the Federal Government (in that case by creating a renegade state, the Confederacy), and they get called insurrectionists. So they have to sanction Trump using things like that.

    I’d be inclined to go a bit further and not just define Trump as a mere Traitor though. There have been comparisons between him and Hitler, but I feel that a more accurate comparison is an equally infamous individual: Vidkun Quisling

    You might have heard the term “Quisling” before, and even during the war itself it had become a slur to define a traitor to ones own people. Not just an old fashioned turn-coat mind you, but a self-centred bell-end who would sell their own country down the river to ingratiate themselves. This was Vidkun Quisling, an unpopular Norwegian politician who helmed a failed clone of the Nazi Party and subsequently shared military secrets with the Germans ahead of their invasion of Norway. He even used the German approach to Oslo as a chance to grab control of the government (which actually failed, no-one took him seriously, not even the Germans).

    He spent the German Occupation heading a puppet government, styling himself as a “Minister President” while rubber-stamping German activities related to the Holocaust and sending Norwegians to join the SS. (Many of whom ended up dying in the Battle of Berlin).

    He was captured by the returning Norwegian Government after the German surrender, and put on trial. Even after everything he had facilitated and encouraged with the Nazies he claimed that he was actually “defending” Norway during the War and should be found innocent. Instead, Norway briefly re-introduced the death penalty (especially for him and his Nazi friends) and was promptly shot.

    I feel that Trump is a Quisling. He will sell even his own supporters down the river if it benefitted him, and if he was in Quisling’s shoes back then, I am certain he would do the same as he did. Two hated losers, who draped themselves in their nation’s flag as a cloak to inflate their own sense of importance.

    I’m not suggesting that Trump also share Quisling’s fate, but the rage of the returning Oslo Government underlines an attitude I wish Washington would have with Trump. He should never be anywhere near a public office again. Quisling forfeited his life for what he did, but Trump should at least forfeit any right to run again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The knots some people will twist themselves into to defend a proven Nazi rapist... I don't get it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Ah, but he's no the worst Nazi rapist though.... /s

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    They don’t defend him though, they dump and run.

    None of his defenders here have ever or will ever actually defend him. You can’t defend a rapist.

    All they have is attacks on Democrats. And Biden being old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sure but that's the point. They know they're defending the indefensible. They've always known this. You can see it in the "both sides" stuff. Like, in fairness the Democrats have no shortage of sins and Biden isn't perfect but the point of highlighting this is to show all actions as equal and therefore meaningless. It doesn't matter that Trump is a fascist, that he raped E. Jean Carrol, that he triggered an insurrection, that he's responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans or that he's the worst leader the West has seen for a long, long time. It doesn't matter because they're all the same. It's the only defence they have.

    Once again, here's the chart:

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Your choice of course, but I find it amusing to see someone constantly making a fool of themselves and that there is no cure for somethings.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The problem with having a user on ignore, as I have done, is that it only takes one reply to then be subjected to their drivel once more. It was the same flaw back before the move to Vanilla software; I wish Ignore was absolute and it blanked out quoted posts too. It wouldn't have been that hard either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,151 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    You forgot he stole from a children's charity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I did but I also forgot him leering at his niece in her swimsuit, his cutting off his great nephew's healthcare, his bankruptcies, his racist discrimination in his properties, etc. It's like trying to name all 50 US states. Sure, you can do it but you need to do a fair bit of research.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,239 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The other issue with having users on ignore is irate posters will mistakenly accuse you of ignoring their questions, or dumping and running away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    It's quite obvious the posts Trump himself writes vs the posts written for him. Obviously, someone with a saner set of mindbeans drafted something up for the passing of Rosalynn Carter. The Don is unpopular enough in Georgia without flatlining his chances there by degrading one of the most esteemed families in the state in one of his online diatribes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,689 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Yes you are.

    After you tried to downplay the events of January 6th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,931 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Who'd have thought police brutality would lead to both peaceful protests and riots? As it has always historically done btw. Meanwhile the former president lost an election and had a government building invaded in an effort to overturn the result, this endangered multiple members of government. See the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,866 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The cause of something happening is absolutely a consideration that should be taken.

    In your eyes apparently...

    *Actual* hundreds of years of systemic racism and social injustice = bullshit claim that the corrupt and incompetent guy lost an election.

    "Rioting and destruction are permitted just so long as they are done under the guise of politically left-wing aspirations it seems."

    Glad you admit social justice and addressing racism are the sole concern of the left. The right couldn't give two **** about anyone other than middle/upper class people.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You've hit upon the key problem that always makes this debate stumble: if the other person rejects the idea there is racism - look, Obama got elected President! etc - then the segue is on a hiding to nothing because fundamentally there's no getting around the fallacy that provable systemic issues with race in America don't exist ... ergo, the BLM protests are just thugs destroying America & so whatever narrative surrounded the intent gets ignored in favour of "look at the urban scum doing what urban scum do".

    If the argument is to reduce things down to dollar amounts of damage, then you can clearly see this is a fallacy and abject rejection of reality. Apparently insurrections are OK if they don't muss the carpets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The idea that black people's lives and liberty are somehow less important than property damage just shows what an insidious, toxic ideology modern American conservatism truly is. I don't think they even care about property, they just want BAME people to know their place and stay there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Also worth pointing out that it also doesn't help that America - or rather, one part of it - steadfast refuses to engage in any kind of retroactive analysis of its own past behaviour at the macro or micro level. You see it with the refusal to discuss reparations for slavery (it's so long ago now, get over it!), or the angry Conservative movement to denounce or outright ban Critical Race Theory (it's racist against Whites!).

    The smallest suggestion that American slavery was endemic, institutional and - in some cases - a net negative receiving a gigantic pushback with greater and louder stubbornness. I only recently learned that not only did America continue slavery for 80 years after it was outlawed, the number of slaves in America grew by millions; there was a literal breeding business in some setups. Or how the "father of gynaecology" made his discoveries by operating without consent on slaves. Until parts of white America are willing to get to grips with the repugnancy of their past, the country will never move on.

    Plus It's a Quiet Part, Loud mentality; if you harbour a belief that black people are angry and violent at their core, the BLM riots are just Confirmation Bias writ large. Let's call a spade a spade there as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I'd never use spade in a discussion of blacks in America. It's a brutal racist slander against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The difference between America and the European empires is that the slaves were emancipated there, continued to live there and had to endure all sorts of abominations including Jim Crow. Slavery is still legal over there for prisoners which is just barbaric and you'll win no prizes for guessing which demographics are over-represented in prison populations in the USA.

    At least here in Europe there are some tepid steps towards recognition despite the fact that majorities of Europeans see their colonial and imperialistic pasts as positive. Don't even start me on the Dutch and their Zwarte Piet nonsense.

    Unfortunately, there's always capital to be made in playing people off against each other. Republicans have been at war with working class Americans for decades. They fully intend to continue but they're now using "woke ideology", BLM and other dogwhistles to keep pushing a white supremacist narrative.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    One thing to remember on the Jan 6th vs BLM riots, it's not the violence (for the most part) that's being punished, it's the disruption of Congress that is. Do you understand the nuance @MisterAnarchy or are you going to ignore this (and other challenges) again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,752 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's just parroting the latest attempt by the house to pretend it was a family day out, you can read about it in known partisan newspaper, the express (there was sarcasm in there somewhere for the GQP loons to pick up):

    Mike Johnson releases 44,000 hours of Jan. 6 footage available to the public | US | News | Express.co.uk

    The video shows some of the fighting up close and gives a bird’s eye view of the Capitol complex — one that visitors rarely see — as hundreds of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the building, violently attacking police officers and breaking in through windows and doors.

    There is 0 original thought coming through there as they know they are attempting to defend the indefensible so will always whatabout to racism and misogyny as a defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I thought releasing that stuff was a Real Bad Idea because it compromised Capitol security...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If you have it on ignore you’re ignoring it. Not a good excuse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,664 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That was probably more overt during the hysteria over certain players of colour taking the knee during the US national anthem. Nobody can argue that it was a non-violent form of protest, yet it still caught hell.



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