Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The president of Israel went on television, made statements which were untrue and picked up and repeated by the world media before the truth emerged, not by him apologising and correcting his lies but by independent journalists.

When you talk of the fog of war, I would hope that an objective inquiry into the events of October 7th will reveal the truth of the victims of that day. Did Israeli hellfire missiles burn terrorists and hostages to death on the road to Gaza, did Israeli tank and artillery fire kill people in their homes in the Kibbutz’s.

Why have stories of dozens of babies being killed, including being placed in ovens and being beheaded circulated even though only one baby has been confirmed killed by gunfire on October 7th.

Who is spreading this misinformation and why?

Hopefully the truth will come out.

You'd wonder what drives them to work for nothing.

Well it is not an completely out of this world assumption to make that her head was removed or partially removed from her body as the only part found was the Petrous bone.

We know Islamic terrorists have a history of what is called beheading which is a much more brutal act. Beheading gives the impression of chopping, however Islamic terrorists literally cut the head off with a knife.

To effectively carry out this act you do not cut across the neck as it would be very hard you carry out the action that a butcher carried out when removing the head of an animal.

The knife follows the bone up under the jaw towards the ears and then cuts back towards the spinal cord and bones to remove the head at the weakest point. Where it joins the skull.

An action like this is about the only way the Petrous would fall out of the cranial cavity. So it looks like a Hama's terrorist cut her throat fairly deeply before her body was removed from where the Petrous was found

I have just returned from the Ypres salient. Hundreds of skull fragments are found each year and every year for more than a hundred years. All obvious proof of decapitation.

Do Hamas have a long history of beheadings?

The Petrous is from inside the skull, it seems it was the only part found. A hundred plus years after a conflict you will only find bones. Basically you are trying to muddy the water. Explain to me how a bone from inside the skull was found and no other part of the body is there maybe a dog came and eat the rest of the body completely

How could that even be called a debate. Two people screaming at each other and nobody could make out a word of it.

You are the person claiming someone was beheaded so it is up to you to prove your claim.

Discovery of a bone is not proof of beheading.

The refusal to allow independent accountability or journalism speaks volumes.

It's been my view all along and I've posted it here several times already, that it's not over until it's over, and all this emphasis that finding a Hamaz command centre underneath the hospital is the be all and end all of it. They have barely scratched the surface (literally) of these tunnels, there's reportedly somewhere between 3 and 5 hundred Klms of them to be searched. Some as deep as 3 hundred feet. And most of them will not be searched, even into the future if / when Hamaz is defeated because of booby traps. Meanwhile the world is rejoicing "Yippee, Israel lying propaganda now exposed, no Hamaz command center under the Hospital." and so it goes. But (big BUT) supposing, say in 2- or 3-weeks' time that the IDF does find undeniable evidence that Hamas was using the tunnels not only as a command centre, but also producing and storing large quantities of weapons? Medical facilities? That would turn the whole ballgame upside down. I've heard it said that the Tunnels equal the London Underground in terms of size and complexity. Now just imagine what can be done in a place like that. For sure, I would not rule out the IDF finding indisputable evidence that Hamaz was using the tunnels.

As for US continuing unwavering support for Israel, seems very like it, but then again, with American politics, who really knows? As for Israel giving a ****...they don't, end of story. As far as they are concerned, 6 million of them were exterminated by Hitler, and that's not going to happen again ever. And that shapes their attitude. The fact that they have been forced to fight several wars with their nearest Neighbours since the foundation of the state of Israel and presently they are under threat again of total destruction just serves to reinforce their beliefs determines their actions.

What context do you need he was screaming about doing October 7th again and again

It's a well-known figure of speech and does not especially apply to the situation in Gaza. Have you ever heard the expression " Don't give up the day job"? same meaning, and not to be taken literally.

But on the subject of Gaza unemployment figures, and applicable everywhere ( Syria,Afghanistan,Pakistan etc) in Country's with high unemployment figures, you will find large numbers of people, (able bodied men especially) joining the likes of Hamaz, ISIS, Al-Quaida, Taleban etc. many not out of any great religious conviction (but outwardly they have to maintain the appearances of the devout) but solely because it's a means of supporting their families. It's the only income available. That has applied for many years in Gaza and applies there now too. They work for Hamaz, and when they are finished, walk back out onto the street, and go home to their families. All perfectly normal looking and above board.

The sick thing is that, for some on here, actual video of bodies of kids strewn around rooms today is less important than fabricated tales on beheaded babies from over a month ago.

You can't bring back the dead people, but you can stop more from being unnecessarily killed. Surely that would be the priority for most reasonable people?

Haven't seen even the IDF come out with this nonsense that most people are working for Hamas.

The furthest day go is implying that because Hamas got 44% of the vote in elections 16 years ago that everyone in Gaza supports them, which is BS in and of itself, but to suggest that a significant number of the men work for them as you are doing is without basis in any sort of factual evidence as afar as I can see.

I googled about the UCD thing. Here is a Palestinian looking fella getting assaulted just before the other fella kicked off

It looks like the white haired fella tried to unfurl some T-shirt which was snatched off him

5 weeks ago, Israel told everyone in Northern Gaza to move south, for their own safety.

They then said that Hamas was sheltering in the Al Shifa hospital which they then raided and found no legitimate evidence that this was the case.

Now, they are telling people in southern Gaza to move again, for their own safety.

They have also now started to say that the real location of Hamas operations is at a hospital in south Gaza.

They are clearing the Gaza strip as they carry out their Genocide. Israel is a rogue state.