Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

But Israel allow bags of rice, cooking oil etc... but they don't allow enough of it. It's not like cooking oil is banned etc... they just severely limit the quantity of it. Like they want to keep the population near starved.

Maybe ,like @jmreire seems to be hinting the bottleneck is because so many items need to be examined before being allowed through?

I wonder what was the rationale behind the killings?

Is that just the way they have become or did they go out of their way to be as shocking as possible?

I think there were different kinds of participants in the assault and I wonder to what extent the barbarity of it was planned and to what extent they "let the more deranged elements off the leash" or lost control of them.

They had a year or so to plan for this apparently .Was anything a surprise to them?

Were they even ordered to be sure to also kill non Israelis so as to appear less anti Jewish?

We cannot just assume (if we are)that the leaders of Hamas are not masters of the cynicism playbook.

It's not really a strawman though is it. It's just an observation. People are extremely interested in the plight of Palestinians but don't seem to have remotely the same interest in other conflicts that are similar contextually.

The US heavily supplies Saudi Arabia, which is heavily involved in the Yemen civil war, where thousands of children have died.

The US also heavily supplies Turkey, which is actively persecuting the Kurdish people.

You don't see protests about either scenario. I'm not drawing any conclusions, but your claim is kinda off.

Maybe Israel shouldn't have occupied Gaza back in 07 if they couldn't provide the requirements the people of Gaza are legally entitled to.

Or here's a thing, send supplied from their own stock, they know the local store in Tel Aviv doesn't have an AK47 in a bag of rice or a grenade in the baby formula. You occupy a Gaza, you take the legal responsibility!

"Or here's a thing, send supplied from their own stock, they know the local store in Tel Aviv doesn't have an AK47 in a bag of rice or a grenade in the baby formula. You occupy a Gaza, you take the legal responsibility"

Seems a good idea.It would also be a propaganda benefit for Israel .

But I expect the offer would have been refused,at least back in 2007.

Complete false equivalence.

As I have said, I don't think they have the planes and pilots to go full tilt. 6000 bombs in 6 days. 1000 a day, 41 bombs an hour, about 7 planes an hour needing to be rearmed, refueled, pilot needs a piss etc...

Israel do have the ability to wipe out Gaza, they are doing it day by day to the best of their ability. I don't see much restraint. Unless you mean they haven't being bombing dense clusters of people, like those evacuating south or refugee camps (bar the one they did bomb). That's hardly a ringing endorsement. Most countries who embark on mass killings/genocide, try to hide it.

Some people think Israel don't control the Rafah crossing, so how does Israel control the calorie count into Gaza?

Some believe Gaza was never under occupation since 2007.

Imposing any kind of restriction on basic food imports is inexcusable.

So the rest of the world should join Israel with collective punishment on the citizens on Gaza by withholding lifesaving aid?

Be complicit in war crimes? Nah, no thanks.

This.... This... This.. As horrific as the 7/10 terrorist attacks were, nothing Israel can do can undo it. Israel are not under imminent threat from Hamas.

Cancer is a good analogy, you target cancer, you don't just go jabbing away limbs and think it will cure the patient. You miss the smallest piece and it will come back with a vengeance. The world grieved with Israel, but I'm sorry to say the absolute destruction of Gaza by the IDF has totally overshadowed the deaths on 7/10. That's on the IDF. Israel could have milked the front pages for weeks, had a cool and collected response, instead they drove the Palestinian cause to the front page. It in a way dishonors those who were butchered on 7/10. You don't defend against war crimes with war crimes, you don;t honor the dead of 1200 with the killing of 12000.

Of course. Calorie counts are meaningless if you are not getting even the basic quantities of food.

So a 2 month old baby was burned in an oven in front of it’s parents when the only baby reported killed in Israel in October 7th was a 10 month old girl tragically killed by gunfire.

It always amazes me how we are expected to believe these stories from people who allegedly come across a scene after the fact and then recount in detail how everything happened and in what sequence. Like the story of the family at breakfast whose daughter had her leg cut off in front of the parents then the son had his fingers or toes (depending on who is telling the story) cut off in front of them while the terrorists laughed and ate breakfast before killing them all.

It’s like when a pub bore recounts a story of an event which they didn’t witness and in order to convince you the story is true starts going into detail they couldn’t possibly know, then he said, then she said, when they weren’t even there.

We know how it will end- America's unwavering support for Israel. Even if the IDF admit- which I doubt they will- the command center was not under the hospital, it will be brushed under the carpet- especially if they subsequently find the main command center in Southern Gaza as Olmert has suggested they will. I am just wondering is there anything Israel could do that would actually make the American Goverment condemn them? If that day comes Israel might then start to give a ****, until that day comes they won't really care what the rest of the world thinks of them.

Don't bother. There are people on here disputing that any rapes even happened. This despite the victims testimony, and images of women with blood soaked pants and bodies of women and girls naked from the waist down going viral for all to see .

Without wishing to diminish the savagery and barbarity of Hamas for a moment, there actually are some doubts that large numbers of women were sexually assaulted that day. Independent observers and monitors say that whilst it is undoubtedly true that at least 800 Israeli civilians were murdered in cold blood on October 7th (mostly through being shot), they've seen considerably less evidence of women being raped on a large scale.

It's certainly noticeable that whilst videos taken from killed Hamas terrorists show numerous shootings of civilians taking place, there don't seem to be any of women being sexually assaulted.