Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I want to thank this post many times :)

She also admits that many many people believe in the ideology of Hamas.

I wonder what ideology is this exactly?

One that expouses the killing of all Jews in Palestine an the world?

It's up to you what you want to believe or not but now, here's a post complete with link. just for you, and proving that Hamas has booby trapped the tunnels, as I have said they would. And I was right. The explosive used in the tunnel was so powerful it killed the soldiers even though they were not in the tunnel, but outside it. The tunnel itself shaped the blast much the same way a shotgun does. They did not have a chance. And here's another opinion of mine. There are many, many more such booby traps waiting in the tunnels for the IDF, or indeed anyone unwary enough to enter them.

Jerusalem school principal one of 5 more soldiers ... - The Times … (bing.com)

What's so hard about the minimum iota of reporting, in the soldier mentioning it in his own report? The tweet made a claim, and to support it, said watch this video, and this video didn't support the claim. So now all we have are "maybes" great, irrelevant, but great.

Israel could submit all it's evidence to an international court if it recognized any! Instead of defeatist counterfactual arguments that evidence doesn't matter because truth is dead, we could do with some evidence! Nothing in the soldier's report indicated the vehicle was booby-trapped. Feel free to edit the video for the IDF if you like, or tell me where he said it in the video, at what timestamp.

If Israel is so sure nobody will believe it maybe it should rethink its stance, recognize the ICC and submit to an internationally recognized ruleset for evidence. We know why it won't do so though, they are rules for thee, and me, and they don't like that one bit.

In other words, never, since Hamas leadership is unfazed by this operation and living it up in Qatar?

Quagmire alert

One of the key premises asserted by the IDF is that the hospital was allegedly hiding an underground base. Deep underground, then, how is part of the hospital? Hospital may act as a deterrent to being hit by a bunker bomb on the surface, but that is about it. It is highly unlikely that there was any interaction between the hospital staff and the alleged base underneath them in any event ( if it was there)

Building tunnels has been a tactic employed by various militaries throughout history, and Hamas is no exception. These tunnels serve several purposes, including providing shelter from attacks, facilitating military operations, and enabling the movement of personnel and weapons.

The Israeli military's decision to showcase recently discovered tunnels as some sort of diplomatic achievement—I don't get it personally.  The discovery of weapons in houses in the Gaza Strip by the IDF is not surprising either, as Hamas is primarily composed of Palestinian citizens who have chosen to engage in armed struggle. However, it is important to condemn the methods and tactics employed by Hamas in executing unarmed Israeli civilians

One of the most disheartening aspects of this conflict is Israel's relentless bulldozing of Palestinian homes and structures since they invaded. The removal of buildings, infrastructure, and vegetation would transform Gaza into a barren wasteland. The actions taken by the Israeli government are not indicative of a desire for the Palestinian people to stay where they are. Instead, these actions are a clear indication that Israel is actively working towards finding a suitable alternative destination for the Palestinian people. Those who will grow up in the aftermath of this war are confronted with the horrors of the past, often witnessing the destruction of their homes and communities. This traumatic upbringing shapes their perception of the world and their likelihood of joining another group, even if Hamas is defeated here (high likelihood).

Personally, I believe that Hamas's decision to hold onto hostages as a bargaining chip is a stupid move. It is evident that the hostage-taking strategy is no longer relevant, considering the recent Israeli invasion and the failure of Hamas's demands. I would release them all your screwed up either way because Israel is coming after you.If I were a leader of Hamas and faced with the choice of whether to maintain the heat over hostages or consider releasing them in order to gain support in the West for a decrease in action against the Palestinian people, I would carefully weigh the implications and consequences of each option. Like i said, I don't understand what benefit there is for Hamas in keeping them now in tunnels.

the report you copied from was apparently from 5 days ago though. So it was available, but anyway.

I'm not interested in engaging in personalities. I cannot verify your military/war-zone experience, ditto you mine, and it never replaced reporting from the conflict. None of us are there.

These same arguments apply to the Likud Party of Israel. Not a caliphate, but rather wiping out Palestine.

So you didn't decide to check, when I asked you for that same proof, 8 and half hours ago?

Why?! With all due respect, kinda rude IMHO.

Do you mean hostages lost to Israeli bombing or losses of IDF military personnel? Either way I believe the number is a few. Not sure precisely. Reports vary and will be disputed.

https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/58/1262/512085/War-on-Gaza/War-on-Gaza/Israeli-losses-in-Gaza-war--servicemen-and--milita.aspx

eg.

And I've never made that claim Grumpy, I'm just responding to the current military situation which is ongoing there. And as the nr of posts has passed the 200'000 mark, I'd say that all of the whys and wherefores have been well covered by now.

All off the people who have been saying that people calling for Israel to stop what it is doing in Gaza is just blatant antisemitism should have a look at what Elon Musk is doing over on Twitter.

He has 163M followers or something, jewish people are going to be hurt by that mindset and narrative way way more than they are by people expressing concern for Palestinians.

It was done to me.

Another prominent very pro Israel poster called me a holocaust denier for saying that they were not the only community to ever experience persecution.

The vasttttttt majority of attendees at Marches have displayed only compassion for suffering Palestinians, there definitely have been some hideous antisemitic signs at some marches but to suggest that this is therefore the mindset of the entire march is doing nothing but trying to use Jewish persecution to undermine the value of others.

A lot of the conservative minded commentators who tried to use antisemitism to stifle denouncement of Israel's actions in Gaza are going to have to have a good long chat with themselves when they next rush to Musk's defense.

Plenty of evidence now that the Palestinians systematically use hospitals for terrorism.

The security cameras are blocked, guns hidden under medical equipment (of which there was no shortage), guns hidden behind MRI machines, flak jackets, etc.

This would not be possible unless the hospital directors and staff and doctors etc. all went along with it.

Guns and terrorist gear in the hospitals. A new low for the species. What next for the Palestinian people?

The same message going to Israel by various parties is completely ignored by the IDF in their bombardment.

Fear for patients as Gaza hospital care disintegrates (rte.ie)

Human Rights Watch cautioned that hospitals have special protections under international humanitarian law.

"Hospitals only lose those protections if it can be shown that harmful acts have been carried out from the premises," the watchdog's UN Director Louis Charbonneau told Reuters.

"The Israeli government hasn't provided any evidence of that," he said.

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The war on hospitals rages on. I bet they will bring in the bulldozers next.