Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Of course they are not legitimate targets of war, but they can still be casualties of war and casualties of attacks on legitimate targets. Again, this has all been explained to you multiple times.

And? What is the point you are trying to make?

Israel doesn't recognise the ICC. So What? It has no relevance to the conflict, it has no relevance to war crimes, it has no relevance to the rules of war and customary international law. You might as well post that Manchester City are top of the Premier League as post that Israel doesn't recognise the ICC. Both are meaningless to the conflict.

There is no peace solution where Israel doesn't recognize the ICC.

According to who?

Lots of countries don't recognise the ICC.

I was asking if there had been any actual report of any actual booby trap, not suppositions. One still has not been supplied. The media has a lot of "portraits" though of what will 'probably' be there, they say.

You can't make this **** up either remember last night a few pages ago, someone posted up the old archival image that the media ran of Bin Laden's "mountain fortress?" Here we go. Here we go again

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To this day we don't have real evidence of this, after the battle of Tora Bora, there was never any hard evidence for this hollowed-out-mountain Dr. Evil scale fortress, and what more he was not found there at all... what "might have been" though

And this has been asked many times...have a go...

Article 55 of the Fourth Convention requires the Occupying Power, to the fullest extent of the means available to it, “to ensure food and medical supplies to the population. It should, in particular, bring the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate”.

Common Article 33 provides that collective punishment is a war crime. Collective punishment is a penalty imposed on a group for acts allegedly carried out by members of the group and applies to international and non-international armed conflicts.

Contrary to its duty under Article 55, the act of Israel in cutting off water, electricity, food, and fuel to the population of Gaza punishes the entire population of Gaza for the acts of Hamas — is a collective punishment — as the objective of the siege is that of destroying Hamas.

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Do you agree?

No, you are wrong. You cannot keep repeating this. Its wrong and it displays your lack of understanding. Lets dissect your language in the key sentence below

"once Hamas commits another war crime, by using hospitals, schools and refugee camps as shields for legitimate military targets, their status changes."

"once Hamas commits another war crime...." Jesus H, is this the level? very high level intro there? what do you mean?

"...by using hospitals, schools and refugee camps as shields for legitimate military targets" where is the proof? oh right... but there are tunnels...which article are you referring to? Israel must have proof (see below re harmful acts)

" their status changes" Their status changes to what? Come on, some detail...a link maybe? Their status changes to "looking for work" maybe? Single? A Bird? again, what article? thrill us with your acumen.

1/10 for that effort.

Here is the actual article.

Article 19

The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.

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There were no acts harmful to the enemy from within the hospital.

There was no evacuation plan or warning.

The small arms found (planted) did not remove the protection.

Having a tunnel running under a hospital, school, camp does not make it a legitimate target!!

To sum up, you are spoofing.

Still with this blinkered view on the topic of hostages.

Can you tell us why you put so much importance on Israeli hostages nearly to the point that if they were release that there would be peace in the region 30 minutes later and yet you refuse (as much as I can see) to acknowledge the tenfold numbers of Palestinians held without charge by Israel.

There's been repeated examples of Hamas offering to release hostages (for a ceasefire window and for prisoner exchange) and yet Israel has refused to entertain this idea.

Not to mention the hostages killed by Israel in its indiscriminate bombing of Gaza.

You've posted a lot about the justification of over 10K Palestinian deaths because of the deaths of 1200 Israelis, and you comment so much about the importance of about 200 Israeli hostages while ignoring completely the 2000 odd Palestinian prisoners held without charge.

It's very hard to not deduce from this that in the eyes of some, one Israeli life is equal in value to about ten Palestinian lives.

Not just me, the EU are calling for it too. As is the US.

Why do you put so much importance on what Arab countries and the likes of Cuba and Venezuela are calling for?

Article 55. That's what I mean. Article 19 as well for instance. Do you agree or disagree that Israel needs to recognize the ICC and be held accountable for charges of war crimes under such international laws?

Argumentum ad hominem. I don't have any prejudices against Israel, everything I have posted in this thread about Israel is based on data and evidence. One cannot hope to claim someone else's argument is illogical... by engaging in ad hominem, a categorical fallacy.

If Israel does not 'accede' to international law then it is not accepting any accountability for it's actions nor taking that claim that it is "acting within it" to task. No mere person can argue they are "acting within it" that is up for courts to decide, that is the only approach that is logical. But Israel doesn't recognize a court that could do any such thing. That is the problem.

Even here you discard Article 55 like it doesn't apply -- one person making the argument when 'this doesn't apply or 'they're acting within that', doesn't bring about agreement, much less a peace solution. QED.

The solutions you provide are not really solutions they are slogans that don't really address the real situation. How can there be peace between the 2 states when 1 side is accountable to the ICC but the other never is?

If you are looking to trivialize one 'side' of the peace process, how is there ever going to be a peace process?

Is a Venezuelan voice not just as loud as an Irish voice or a Japanese voice or a Cuban voice or an Israeli voice?

If Palestine is accountable to the ICC but Israel is not, how is peace achieved?

The IDF seemingly want to sideskirt this by putting their foot in their mouth so often and declaring everyone still in north gaza to be a combatant. You even have US congressmen comparing the innocent civilians to Nazis. 'they aren't civil they're savages' etc.

or the more sophist, 'they aren't even a civilization so how can they have civil rights'

Savages is the buzzword coming out of spox mouth the most (and then after, 'Nazis' 'worse than hitler' 'animals')

I'm sure the mickey mouse connection here to the trail of tears etc is you know, just trivial coincidence

Into the 2nd day of looking for Hamas in a hospital, still turning up 'scant evidence'

Free link

Sure though, I already saw that IDF officer in front of both CNN and ABC check behind the curtains. Where are they?

(xerox effect hasn't been kind to life of brian reposters on youtube)

Radio silence once again when asked to look at a Palestinian and an Israeli as being people of equal value.

Despicable.