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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Ah yes, of course, they were afraid of Hamas turning on their own. That must be it.

    Seriously, why were there any kind of weapons in the hospital?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    I've heard rumours that Boards.ie staff are actively discouraging a ceasefire to keep the site alive.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,034 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It just shows the ridiculous lengths people are streching to that it keeps coming up.

    Its comical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    With all due respect. I’ve questioned principles of distinction which is actually quite clear to you. And never once have you addressed it. SHOCK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,384 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yawn. You haven't a clue about international law.

    Israel is considered an Occupying Power since 2005. You know this but you don't respond when I remind you.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,384 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Here is a list of well respected organisations that have studied the situation in Gaza and consider Israel an Occupying Power since 2005 (and before Oct 7)

    The International Court of Justice (ICJ) 

    UN General Assembly

    UN Security Council 

    UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk

    International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC)

    United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory

    European Union (EU)

    African Union

    International Criminal Court (ICC) (both Pre-Trial Chamber I and the Office of the Prosecutor)

    Amnesty International

    Human Rights Watch

    UN Relief Workers Agency

    The Israeli High Court of Justice has itself emphasized that the state is nonetheless required under international humanitarian law to allow Gaza to receive “what is needed in order to provide the essential humanitarian needs of the civilian population” (Jaber Al-Bassiouni Ahmed 2008, para. 11).

    Too many other international legal experts to list but let's focus on our own country - we have Ruth A FitzGerald SC, an expert in IHL. We also have this list of Irish academics who criticise "Israel’s regime of occupation"...

    Gaza crisis: Hundreds of academics sign letter calling for Irish universities to suspend ties with Israeli institutions – The Irish Times

    There are hundreds on that list above.

    --------------

    I'll help you start the list of organisations that disagree.

    1. Israel


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No seems to be legit. They even have one of those crappy propaganda blokes doing the commentary again.


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    I'd guess Hamas's fortress under Al Shifa hospital looks a bit like how this turned out in real life.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,384 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Strong words, well done Holly Cairns.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Self defense, everyone has the right to resist against an occupying force. It's international law isn't it ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,384 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Worth waiting for. Where is the rest of the magical mystery HQ? Not a shot fired "storming" the hospital.

    Have we any footage of the IDF trying to save the babies that are dying each day from lack of power/fuel/heat/food?

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Got to empty the boxes first. At least they clearly marked the boxes in English

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    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,663 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Have the strikes on Gaza lessened? I'm not seeing much reports of them in the last few days.

    EDIT: I see AlJ are reporting a few in the south now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,384 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    More on the violation of international law through collective punishment. A half tanker of fuel but not for use in hospitals.

    First fuel delivery to the UN in Gaza

    The first truck carrying fuel into Gaza since the start of Israel's war with Hamas crossed from Egypt on Wednesday to deliver diesel to the United Nations, though it will do little to alleviate shortages that have hampered relief efforts.

    The delivery was made possible by Israel giving its approval for 24,000 litres of diesel fuel to be allowed into Gaza for UN aid distribution trucks, though not for use at hospitals, according to a humanitarian source.

    "This is only 9% of what we need daily to sustain lifesaving activities," Tom White, director of UN relief agency UNRWA in Gaza, posted on social media platform X. He confirmed that just over 23,000 litres, or half a tanker, had been received.

    "Our entire operation is now on the verge of collapse," said UNRWA director Philippe Lazzarini. "It is appalling that fuel continues to be used as a weapon of war."

    Aid workers say a lack of fuel, which is needed for hospital generators, provision of water, sewage treatment and communications as well as for the distribution of relief, has contributed to a sharp deterioration of conditions for Gaza's 2.3 million residents.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    What? UK was a small player?

    You're not serious?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭rogber


    Agree, such disrespect.

    And terribly sad that many civilian victims were among the more enlightened Israeli citizens. If it had to be someone, then hardcore Zionists and settlers would have been more worthy of ire.

    But as Hamas showed, simply being on Israeli soil was enough to warrant murder, hence all the Thai people killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Amazing that you still cling rigidly to your argument about 'international law'. When it's clear to a 7 yr old that Israel have blown the whole concept of 'international law' apart. They couldn't give a crap about your 'international law'. And when it eventually dawns on you that Israel is up for war crimes and worse, your whole defence will fall into the dust just like the people & buildings being collapsed by the IDF.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    I assume hamas will also have a court date?

    Multiple previous and continued war crimes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    I saw a video clip today from inside the now seized hospital. An Israeli military individual was showing a bag of weapons and equipment they claim to have found in a room in the hospital.

    Now I am vocally supporting Israel but by god they need to do a bit better than that. There needs to be something significant.

    It is worth noting that they have stated that they are still checking the above ground . But nonetheless



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    If there is (or was) a Hamas complex under the hospital, I wouldn't be expecting to see anything of it for another day or two. I would strongly doubt that "Secret Hamas HQ" would be signposted right underneath "Obstetrics" and above "Newborn Intensive Care". Hiding passageways to basements etc is a practice with a long history: If you can hide tunnels in Colditz, you can probably hide a tunnel access port under a hospital.

    However, I'd be surprised if there is even a concealed access point. It's an un-necessary risk, any such subterranean complex need not be attached to the hospital in order to receive the protections of it, just tunnel to underneath. It's not as if the Israelis would be dropping a penetrating bunker buster through the hospital and into the earth beneath. We're not going to know until after systems like ground penetrating radars or seismic mappers are used, which will take a while. So in the short term, the lack of anything positive doesn't mean anything much.



  • Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ Faith Steep Comic


    And this is all they said about October 7th:

    "The incursion by Palestinian armed groups on October 7th included criminal attacks against civilians."

    Some effort from this group of academics.......





  • What an absolute failure from the IDF. You know if there was something significant there it wuld be blasted all over their social media channels.

    What's there - a bag of guns in a cabinet and a load of premature babies that will not survive because of Israels actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭gotaf


    Why take the hospital then? Why don't the idf just go to where the entrance is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Schrodingers hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,982 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And Hamas would be unbelievably stupid to leave incriminating evidence linking them to any tunnels under hospitals, and providing Israel with justification for attacking hospitals / schools etc. No way. A few Kalashnikovs only points to a plant by the IDF. And that's how it will appear too. ( as is already happening )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Has been an absolute disaster for the IDF and for the shoddy American intelligence that facilitated the assault on a working hospital



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,330 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    100% : if they had found the supposed command and control centre, it would have been all over Twitter (with the legions of Israel bots / propagandists in the West furiously retweeting on their behalf). The silence has been rather deafening.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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