Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Pearl Harbour was attacked on Dec 7 1941. Japan surrendered in early Sept 1945. It was relevant for less than 4 years.

The UK was a small player in the EU, but didn't realise it. Germany and France dominate the EU, if they left it would collapse.

The same applies to the UN, remover the China, Russia and US vetoes and they will leave, and the UN would collapse. What would be left would have no power or no influence and the small countries would suffer even more. That is the realpolitik.

Why do you continuously miss the point? Deliberately so. Why do you waste so many posts on missing the point ad nauseum?

I'll keep it simple - Oct 7 was a horrific barbaric terrorist attack which should not happen. All agreed. Plenty of evidence. The vengeful response has also been horrific - 11k dead, 4000 children, collective punishment (no food, water, medical supplies, comms, power, forced movement, disease, homeless). No end in sight.

Do you agree with above?

Yes I agree the consequences of the response are horrific. What is the point I'm missing? It is not up to Israel to supply water, food, medical supplies, power, etc. by the way. But they can not hinder their delivery either if international aid agency are trying to bring it in.

Incredibly sad:

I've said it before here and I'll say it again - you views on these matters disgust me.

I'd say he refused to play it because most people don’t need to see graphic videos in order to condemn barbarity. I didn't need to watch the video of Ken Bigely being beheaded to realise the people behind it were utter savages.

This does not give the IDF or anyone carte blanche to shoot an old blind man in the back of the head twice

Also if we are going to use the October 7th attacks as justification for IDF waging war any way they see fit to. Does this mean you would have excused people carrying out a massacre after the Der Yassin Massacre, or the violence after the Christian militia that ran amok in Lebanon while Ariel stood by. What about the subjugation and violence meeted out to Palestinians in the West Bank? Is vengeance justified when it's a side we support?

No I am not disagreeing with the response, provided it is the least harmful way (to Gazan civilians) to completely eradicate Hamas.

My view was more tempered, until Hamas leadership made no mistake about it a week or two ago, that October 7th would be repeated again and again until all jews are dead. That's simply not an option.

If this family were all killed as you say how do you or the person telling this story know the sequence the actions occurred and then the attackers laughing and having a meal?

Are you claiming the leg and toes of children being chopped off was videoed and shown to the media?

Seriously? Maybe you should focus your anger and disgust on the Hamas savagery instead of directing it at a randomer on the internet 🙄

Then you haven't been reading this thread a long time. I believe a poster Tell me how had A long post on how Hamas could be defeated not using the methods you are currently supporting. The methods that are killing a lot of civilians ( even you agree this is happening) but magically won't result in the relatives of these victims not joining whatever terrorist organisation replaces Hamas in Palestine.

Getting rid of Hamas is a noble endeavour but if your methods are just going to result in another terrorist organisation of a different name rising up then all those dead children's deaths will be for nothing.

The savagery that day was incredible, unlike anything seen in recent memory, medieval butchery.

But thr method you are supporting with no reservation that is resulting in scores of dead kids is going to temper the next generation of Palestinians joining whatever terrorist organisation replaces Hamas? That is naive in the extreme.

There is a contradiction going on here: Israel portrays itself as a victim at risk for its survival,yet at the same time warning that no-one in the region is a match for it. So which is it? A state whose very existence is threatened by a militia of 30-40,000 members (without an airforce or navy)or is it a state that has one of the most formidable armies in the world backed up the most formidable army in the world. If it's the former we should be seeing Iran and others going to war with Israel over this, but we don't because they know they will be soundly beaten. Instead we have Iran and Nasrallah who are akin to a yapping terrier attempting to face down a Cane Corso. Israel is not going anywhere and there is no actor that realistically poses a threat to its existence.

Just because you use a guided missile for your horrific act doesn't make it any less barbaric, infact a clinical strike by an operator sitting in an air conditioned hub, with absolutely no threat to their life, guiding missiles to wipe out families has a Nazi gas chamber operator aura about it