Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Maybe read my posts a few times to see nowhere did I imply Hamas didn't carry out the attacks.

This lack of evidence of Hamas infrastructure within Gaza (which is what I was referring to) is similar to the absence of WMD in the weeks/months after the start of the second Gulf war.

No, but I've lived in Islamic Country's for 20+ odd years. ( Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria ect. ) And I've had the good fortune to meet some of the best people ever, and yes they were Muslims. On the down side, I've met some of the worst people in the world, who were also Muslims. They had one thing in common, though the Quran. And as my Wahhabi friend explained, everything is contained in the Quran, so people will take the parts they are drawn to. There's two parts in the Quran, what was written in the early stages by Mohammad when he was in Mecca, and a minority voice starting out and are called the " peaceful verses". ( interesting read " The Satanic Verses," by Salman Rushdie from that time) and the 2nd part was written in Medina, where Mohammads teaching took on a more forceful, violent tone. ( by then he had a army backing him) Its largely from these verses that Wahhabi's, ISIS, Taliban etc. take the justification for the atrocities they commit. But you will find it interesting no doubt, and would be good if you took the time to post an occasional update? But in case this might not suit the thread, feel free to PM me if you like, as I'd be interested in your take.

There was a claim tonight that Hamas will not let the hospital accept fuel. There can no doubt that Hamas want the people in that hospital to suffer, and will be doing all they can to make sure that happens, is filmed and broadcast.

Aragh stop. Claim indeed. Israel said this. Netanyahu said this and is a complete clown and a lunatic. They are trying to control the bad PR.

Deliver the damn fuel and see if the hospitals use it. Israel have many of the hospitals surrounded. Deliver the fuel or turn on the power.

Just look at your logic. If Hamas wanted the hospitals to have no fuel, wouldn't they have dumped it ages ago.

This is what the idiot said. He has been talking rubbish for weeks.

Netanyahu was asked if Israel has a plan to get fuel into Gaza to power hospitals. “We just offered Shifa hospital the fuel, they refused it,” Netanyahu said.

“Hamas, (which) is hiding in the hospitals and placing itself there, doesn’t want the fuel for the hospital ... they want to get fuel that they’ll take from the hospitals to their tunnels, to their war machine.”

If you believe that Israel kindly offered some fuel to one hospital that is hitting the headlines, you are gullible.

Why would Israel offer anything to Palestine?

This is war. Get the civilians out of the hospital and turn it upside down. Hunt every last hamas terrorist. Never again will they attempt an Oct 7th

Is it worth bothering to reply to this? Probably not really. But suffice to say that if all the injured and sick were magically moved from the hospital tomorrow to a big tend along the Gaza fence where Israel have de-facto control, then there would be no more strikes on the hospital.

The imaginary Hamas HQ under the current hospital would be replaced with the myth of the new HQ under the tent after the Zionists hit the tent with airstrikes.

Israel is just on a murderous genocidal rampage. No amount of gaslighting can cover that up

Yes I condemn every single military facility under any hospitals in Gaza if they are there. Israel need to prove it before bombing these hospitals. Hamas are violating international law by locating military facilities under hospitals. If they are there.

Netanyahu never sounds reasonable by the way. Believing his disingenuous response to a question like that is gullible. Who exactly said No on this Hamas hotline?

According to Gaza’s Ministry of Health, 18 hospitals have been put out of service since the war began, either because they ran out of fuel or due to bombardments.

How come the idiot PM never offered fuel to the other hospitals?

We were a couple of weeks into this and the Israeli propaganda machine were printing aerial photographs of supposed massive Hamas fuel storage tanks. The type of things you'd see at a national facility or else an oil refinery

Strangely enough, I didn't see any questions from the media publishing the photos as to why nurseries and residential blocks full of families and kids were higher up the Israeli priority list for destruction than supposed Hamas massive fuel reserve tanks.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-photos-show-half-million-liters-of-fuel-held-by-hamas/

Perhaps just a bit of R&R for the zionist soldiers then maybe? A way to unwind after a hard weeks work of punching playschool coordinates into missile launch systems. It's probably a pain in the hole having to check and recheck that you didn't get a digit wrong on the GPS coordinates before you hit the launch button. Get a few hours off at the weekend with a high powered sniper rifle and allowed to take out a few hospital patients as a reward?

Their bloodlust is indeed nonsensical.

But they won't stop until their buddies in the West - such as the US - finally shout "stop".

How many people know that in the 1960's, Israel tested the American "loyalty" by attacking and killing dozens of its military (injuring about 200 others) in what is rumoured to be simply that - a test of how much the US would bend over to support them? Because if you can attack them and kill their people, yet they are willing to hush it up and still support you, then you know there is nothing you can do to threaten their support.

There was one in the Sunday Independent last weekend.

It's well documented. You may have just googled it there now yourself. Keep reading and come back to us and let us know.

Didn't Mark Regev say a couple of days ago on Sky News, when challenged about the assertion that the main Hamas command center was under the hospital,

they were going to provide proof that Hamas has its headquarters under the Al Shifa Hospital. Well where is it? Surely the spies that were said to be working for Israel within the hospital would have smuggled out something to verify the claim? Multipass what are your thoughts on this?

Brand new account. I'll leave it there. No doubt you'll be back again later