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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭crusd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    Literally your own graph shows the population at 33% not 49%!!! I mean C'mon!! And approx 250k were not indigenous to that area between 1920-1940's.

    So again, do you think the split it was fair?

    Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia

    British immigration restrictions and the 1939 White Paper

    In the 1920s, the British imposed restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine and the ability of Jews to buy land, claiming that these decisions were taken due to concerns over the economic absorptive capacity of the country. In the 1930s, British authorities set a quota for immigration certificates and authorised the Jewish Agency to hand them out at its discretion. Shortly before the outbreak of World War II, the British introduced the White Paper of 1939. The White Paper rejected the concept of partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states and announced that the country would be turned into an independent binational state with an Arab majority. It severely curtailed Jewish immigration, allowing for only 75,000 Jews to migrate to Palestine from 1940 to 1944, consisting of a yearly quota of 10,000 per year and a supplementary quota for 25,000 to cover refugee emergencies spread out over the same period. Afterward, further Jewish immigration would depend on the consent of the Arab majority. Sales of Arab land to Jews were to be restricted.

    In reaction to British restrictions, illegal immigration to Palestine began. Initially, Jews entered Palestine by land, mainly by slipping across the northern border, where they were aided by the border settlements. In the early 1930s, when crossing the northern border became more difficult, other routes were found. Thousands of Jews came to Palestine on student or tourist visas, and never returned to their countries of origin. Jewish women often entered into fictitious marriages with residents of Palestine to be granted entry for family reunification purposes. In 1934, the first seaborne attempt to bring Jews to Palestine happened when some 350 Jews of the HeHalutz movement in Poland who were unwilling to wait for certificates sailed to Palestine on the Vallos, a chartered ship. Two more ships carrying illegal immigrants arrived in 1937, and several more arrived in 1938 and 1939. These voyages were mainly organised by the Revisionist Zionist Organisation and the Irgun. Until 1938, the Jewish Agency opposed illegal immigration, fearing that it would impact the number of immigration certificates issued.[11]

    Overall, between 1929 and 1940, a period of mass Jewish immigration known as the Fifth Aliyah occurred despite British restrictions. Nearly 250,000 Jews (of whom 20,000 later left) immigrated to Palestine, many of them illegally.[12]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    Have a read of the below. He may not have physically murdered him but I would say he was complicit.

    Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin - Wikipedia

    The assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was the culmination of an anti-violence rally in support of the Oslo peace process.[1] Rabin was disparaged personally by right-wing conservatives and Likud leaders who perceived the peace process as an attempt to forfeit the occupied territories and a capitulation to Israel's enemies.[2][3][page needed]

    National religious conservatives and Likud party leaders believed that withdrawing from any "Jewish" land was heresy.[4] The Likud leader and future prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, accused Rabin's government of being "removed from Jewish tradition [...] and Jewish values".[2][3] Right-wing rabbis associated with the settlers' movement prohibited territorial concessions to the Palestinians and forbade soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces from evacuating Jewish settlers under the accords.[5][6] Some rabbis proclaimed din rodef, based on a traditional Jewish law of self-defense, against Rabin personally, arguing that the Oslo Accords would endanger Jewish lives.[5][7][page needed]

    Rallies organized by Likud and other right-wing groups featured depictions of Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform, or in the crosshairs of a gun.[2][3] Protesters compared the Labor party to the Nazis and Rabin to Adolf Hitler[5] and chanted, "Rabin is a murderer" and "Rabin is a traitor".[8][9] In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12] Netanyahu denied any intention to incite violence.[2][3][13]

    Rabin dismissed such protests or labeled them chutzpah.[2] According to Gillon, Rabin refused his requests to wear a bulletproof vest and preferred not to use the armored car purchased for him.[14] Left-wing supporters organized pro-peace rallies in support of the Oslo Accords. It was after one such gathering in Tel Aviv that the assassination took place.[3]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,241 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    If their argument is just an attack on the signatories and not a rebuttal of their points, then it's a useless letter.

    I could make this whole reply into an attack on you and ignore any point you're trying to make and you would quite rightly dismiss this as a strawman. So apply the same criteria to the letter.

    The one point they make that has any merit is that maybe people should also be boycotting Saudi universities. Why just Israeli ones. And in that they have a point. But that doesn't mean their shouldn't be a boycott of Israeli universities. If anything it would mean there should be a boycott of Israeli universities and it should be extended to other countries.


    (On a personal note, I'm not sure about a blanket ban. It would affect israelis who are not involved in or supporting the bombing. If they named specific institutions that are promoting or benefiting from ties to the military or settlements, I'd be fine with it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,241 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    If "the jews" had been quicker to implement a 2 state solution we wouldn't be in this mess.

    As Irish people we should be aware of the impact that colonialism and settlements can have. We're still living with the fallout of plantations that happened hundreds of years ago.

    We can't undo what happened when the Israeli state was formed. Israel exists. But what can be done is make sure that the Palestinians within their own borders and within the occupied territories can have some control over their lives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,854 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    It is a fact that the exacerbating factor is the settlements in the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem, Golan, etc. Thats from 1967 on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,122 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Every two state proposal rejected by the Palestinians. 100%. Every one.

    So, how is it Israel implements a two state solution? It has to be jointly agreed to, doesn't it?

    BTW Muslim Israeli citizens have some control over their lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    The title of this thread needs to be changed to reflect the mass murder of Palestininans (half of them children) by the Israelis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    For the love of god - educate yourself. Oslo Records.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,854 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,122 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, the Palestinians are abiding by the Oslo accords? Hmm...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    Dont deflect. you should retract this - 'Every two state proposal rejected by the Palestinians. 100%. Every one.' - if not, you are purpose spouting misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    ..what's the point..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Jimi H


    A little bit of light in all the darkness. Jews and Arabs coming together in Haifa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Since when was Hezbollah the terrorist organisation in power in Lebanon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So, if it was ok for the Palestinians and other Arabs to reject what the UN s saying in 1948, it is ok for Israel to reject what the UN is saying in 2023?

    Or is it one rule for Israel, a different rule for everyone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    First the Web Summit, then the Ditch, both of whom fell into the trap of believing Hamas propaganda. Who is next? Sinn Fein and Paul Murphy seem to have fallen for the same propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,854 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Israel saying Hamas HQ is beneath al-Shifa hospital, Hamas denies. If true, it really does show what Hamas are all about: death.

    I guess we will soon find out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What was Islamophobic about the post?

    It is a fact that the objective of Hamas is the genocidal elimination of all the Jews from the river to the sea. Pointing that out isn't Islamophobic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Must be soul destroying for the Palestinians knowing that the scumbag colonists will never leave.Yearly victims to war crimes and the world does nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,122 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That clown is a piece of work. A damning interview. He is convinced they have killed 3000-4000 Hamas terrorists but has no clue on the civilian death toll. I mean it must be multiples of Hamas terrorists given the devastation and indiscriminate bombing. He couldn't care less.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,835 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    This is the guy who does most of the IDF interviews on global media. I actually agree with him. Anti-Israel sentiment is there but it's not under the surface. I'm not sure when it becomes just outright anti-Jew. You rarely see that in the media. However there is definitely a persuasive element of anti-Jewish sentiment in Ireland that I would say is widespread. That being the case he can hardly be surprised the media tends to not provide the balance it should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Once again the antisemitism card is waved. I would say there is a strong anti-settler, colonist streak in Ireland. What were we accused of when we were against the Apartheid in South Africa? Being anti-Dutch, anti-Afrikaans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,241 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hamas, the PLO and fatah have all accepted a 2 state solution as a resolution to this. The problem is that every time they are offered less and less. Every agreement has been broken and Israel has taken more land. We're at the point where there's pretty much no restrictions on Israeli settlements. If israel ever wants peace with palestinians, the settlements have to go. At the moment though the government are expanding them. They even gave tax breaks to people who moved to settlements. They are encouraging settlement building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    "My side's proposed solutions are the only proposed solutions."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭quokula


    It explains a lot when you don't see anything wrong with a blatant dog whistle post from a new account / bot that subtly suggests the nuclear annihilation of the Palestinians would be justified whilst also throwing all of Israel's other neighbours in with them as it accuses them of maniacal dogma and of being medieval butchers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,229 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Sinn Fein? I don't think so. I'm certainly no fan of them, but some very clever people in Sein Fein who know how the political game works. Did you see these comments from Eoin O'Broin?


    "Ó Broin said Sinn Féin does not have a relationship with Hamas but accepted that a spokesperson for Hamas spoke virtually at a Sinn Féin event in 2020. 

    When asked if Sinn Féin would have Hamas at any future events, Ó Broin responded: “Hamas isn’t an organisation we have a relationship with and certainly after the events of October 7, no we wouldn’t.”"

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