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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I think at this stage its fair to say Trump believes he can say anything and there will be no repercussions. And, hate to say it, buts hes probably right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    The judge is threatening to strike his testimony and take a negative inference from it, basically saying that anything he says will be stuck from the record and they'll take his testimony with the same reverence as if he said he admitted total guilt



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What was interesting is that his defence chose not to ask him any questions - They didn't cross examine Jr and Eric either.

    They just let their nonsense stand.

    The question now is , do they plan on calling them as defence witnesses when they are presenting their case and take the risk of them contradicting themselves or opening themselves up to cross examination from the Prosecution?

    Ivanka will be interesting - How willing will she be to throw the rest of them under the Bus to save herself or will she end up incriminating herself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,232 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I thought she'd just play the "I didn't know anything, it was up to the finance team and the banks. I was too busy for any of this" spiel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Hope Ivanka has managed to arrange childcare for Wednesday at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Stanley 1



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    Joe Brolly


    @JoeBrolly1993


    Donald Trump’s trial:

    Q. Did you prepare your 2021 financial statement?

    A. No. I was so busy in the White House, focusing on Russia and China and keeping our country safe.

    Q. Sir, you weren’t president in 2021.


    We all know where he was on Jan 6th and had Biden took over 2 weeks later



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Ivanka's desperate attempts to avoid testifying suggest she knows she's in for a tough time and she probably doesn't feel up to the court case.

    She does seem to have stepped away from the family publicly since the 6th of January so it'll be interesting to see how she responds to questioning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You have to admire him in a way. He's always been full of crap, still is full of crap and will always be full of crap. All the hallmarks of a very successful conman. A remarkable human being.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's a cultural turd that floated to the surface buoyed by his millionaire father. There's nothing to admire here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I wouldn't admire, no, but there is something magnetic about Trump all the same that will be explored & dissected once he dies and (hopefully) America moves on. There is a charisma at work here 'cos you see similar rhetoric from someone like Ron DeSantic yet that alleged human being's total absence of X Factor or charisma means he's an irrelevancy and singularly unelectable.

    The con-man is by design a compelling, almost seductive character who can pull a mark into their web, even while intellectually the victims know it's too good to be true. Obama & Kennedy had it as well, albeit coming less from a manipulative, bullying corner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Ah come now - surely give some credit where it is due. He may be as you say a 'cultural turd .. buoyed by his millionaire father'.

    But staying afloat with his crap & bluster is a talent. He is really very good at communicating his message and persuading others against all their better judgement to go along with his speel and schemes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I thought this was the CA forum when I wrote that.

    He's charismatic but the USA is a country full of that sort anyway. Think of Homeopaths, anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, holocaust deniers, mega preachers, pyramid schemes and the other myriad nonsense that only works there because of their admiration for charisma. It's a talent but it's a talent in a country where there's already plenty of it anyway.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Just like a street dealer is able to hawk their fake rolexs and convince the rubes that their knock offs are genuine, trump is no different in character



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Indeed, some people have it. Most don't. Even those who are good at manipulating others, get tripped up. But Trump has been really successful at spinning his persona across many sectors - business, public and politics. That the nature & foundations of his business empire are being shown to be rotten and based on gross exaggeration, shows us that the establishment have had enough and this is the slippery slope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Preying on stupid and vulnerable people as someone's "talent" isn't an admirable thing though. The man is an absolute wretch. Trump and people like Trump are sociopathic creeps with a fanatical devotion to only themselves who use the desperate and mentally challenged to further their own gains. To admire something like that is to let oneself down.

    Sure it's all fascinating, especially if you're not directly affected by his odious works. But fascination and admiration are two different things entirely. And if there's any worth in Trumpism, it serves to shine a light on other little venal shitbags in US politics who scamper around his table hoping for some crumbs to come their way.

    In any case, save your admiration for someone who deserves it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    If anyone says they admire Trump for basically being a bully that refuses to ever apologise for anything (including getting the name of a city he’s in wrong), or admires him for his bullheadedness, after we know he was found liable for sexual assault, then to go on THE NEXT DAY to say she made it up…

    well,


    I think I can form an opinion on that person and it is not a favourable one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    He’s a rapist.

    You are here saying you admire a rapist.

    Look at yourself in the mirror for God’s sakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Is the rapist/racist/conman/liar on the stand again today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭amandstu


    They should put that question in those polls they do

    1: Do you agree that DT is a rapist

    2:Would you vote for a rapist as President of the USA?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I would note that while Trump's persona has given him leeway to grift his way through life, I'd stop short at calling anything he has done "successful". Personality will only take you so far and given the slew of failures through the years if he didn't have his Daddy's real estate portfolio and a natural, chummy landscape that gives soft landings to the "right" people, Trump might have been on skid row long ago. He's arguably a dreadful businessman and I'd be genuinely curious to know of a venture of his that has been successful in its own right.

    Undoubtedly; he's not Best in Class in terms of the kind of grifter that as you note, America seems primed to cultivate. But just in terms of looking at things such as the polls and wondering How the Fúck is Trump still in the lead?, it's instructive to appreciate how the guy operates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sure, but that's the USA for you. Roy Moore, a convicted hebephile lost an election by a hair's breadth after being found out.

    Most people over there are either voting red or blue in a habitual manner or, given America's spectacularly f*cked up history or racism, couldn't care less what Trump is or has been convicted of.

    I'm also not sure how valuable polls are now. We're about a year away and a lot can happen between now and then.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    She is clearly terrified about getting asked a question that she can't wriggle out of that puts her back in legal jeopardy.

    She is trying desperately (and failing miserably) to get the family stink off her and unlike the others she has money that isn't tied to Trump from Kushners "dealings" so she could in theory survive without Daddy , but only if she can get out of the blast zone which she is finding very hard to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Take your outrage elsewhere. Just like the other thread you like to bang on in, I'd remind you that it's perfectly reasonable for others to have differing views.

    I didn't say I'd admired Trump the rapist - that's you trying to put words into anothers mouth - not good enough. You also seem to have zero ability to detect irony..

    My admiration for Trump extends to his extraordinary ability to influence so many people against their better judgement. Whether you like this trait or not, it is remarkable and worthy of note.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's far less about "admiration" and more a grudging recognition of an ability or skill.

    Without question he has a talent for getting people to buy into his bullshit and for seemingly being able to "connect" with peoples perceived pain-points.

    He absolutely targets their worst and basest fears , but he manages to resonate with them.

    That is a skill that has to be acknowledged , dismissing him as a horrible moron is a mistake that has been made far too often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think it's important to consider the context. Millions of Americans have spend decades imbibing the disinformation of Fox News. All Trump really did was repeat the same lies without the pretence of being respectable.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    And Harold Shipman did wonders for population control /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    So, maybe you try the same trick? Or can you suggest other individualspublic figures/ politicians who could pull off what he's managed in his business and political career?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Bearing in mind his current civil trial, What exactly has he accomplished in his business career?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are.

    You’ve said more than once you admire Trump.

    Trump is a rapist.

    Ergo,

    You admire Trump the Rapist.

    They cannot be separated. A judge has said he committed rape. He will forever be regarded as a rapist as much as he will be remembered as being a president. That you think those two facts can be separated says more about you.

    There is nothing worthy of note in what the man has done. His history as a rapist has washed that away.



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