Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I didn't say pretend, I said might be, there is the possibility that those strikes are accurate but there is very little way of knowing their accuracy and I would certainly dispute any prior knowledge of what's going on when someone drops bombs on densely populated schools, refugee camps and other supposedly protected sites killing THOUSANDS of children. My point is that both acts are abhorrent and shouldn't be tolerated.

I think you make a good point here — and it's another lesser-considered feature of the imbalance between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The sheer military superiority and US backing of Israel is clear, but there is also fact that the Israelis have much better capability to 'project' media and tell the stories of their victims. And while those stories are undoubtedly heartbreaking — and I think all reporting on war should be absolutely saturated with the stories of as many innocent victims as possible — multiples of the numbers killed by Hamas on 7 October have been killed and that's more or less the height of it. Just a pile of dead kids and families anonymous to the world.

Even the fact that we see releases of intercepted or recorded phone calls of Hamas militants — that's a capability that can't really be turned around on the Israelis. What would we hear if their secret conversations could be recorded?

I am pretty sure old testament readings are included in Christian masses. Are people told to disregard the Old Testament afterwards?

I know English isn't the first language a of a few posters here, but this is now the level of discourse from some.

1. bomb a hospital killing dozens because there might be a tunnel underneath - shrugs shoulders, that's war
2. blow up a refugee camp killing dozens because there might be a single Hamas leader hiding there - shrugs shoulders, that's war
3. blow up a children's oncology ward because something something - shrugs shoulders, that's war
4. saying you'll hit someone who said your child deserves to die - HITLER, VIOLENT ANTI-SEMITE SCUM, YOUR AN ANIMAL.

The Palestinians could stop the war instantly by releasing the hostages. It looks like Hamas wants war and PR and death instead.

Christians, by the very definition of the word, are followers of Christ and follow his teachings. Thats what he meant when he commanded that they follow the new and everlasting covenant between God and Mankind that he would bring. So while the Bible of Moses time is still regarded and respected as the historical link ( Abraham ) Modern Christians follow the new Testament. If you need any more info on that, I'd suggest that you ask a Priest or a theologian, as I'm just an ordinary run-of-the-Mill Catholic who happened to live for a good few years in different country's, with different cultures, traditions and religions.

I think that attitude is part of the problem. Hamas aren't single minded murderers. When people boil down to their actions and imply that they're just mindless killers who never thing about anything else, they're under estimating them.

It reminds me of when 911 happened and some americans said it was because "They hate our freedom".

There's no guarantee if Hamas release all the civilian hostages that Israel will stop bombing. Hamas will loose their bargaining chip. If however Israel stopped bombing for a few days on condition Hamas release the hostages, what's Israel to loose? Hamas will not be back to full strength in a number of days if the bombing stopped. Israel have literally nothing to loose, in fact they have everything to gain.

Only 1 side can stop the bombing unilaterally, Israel.

Yes, agree, you know they weren't Jewish people in the event in spite of multiple reliable news sources reporting it as such as you are in fact omniscient

Law enforcement has not determined yet if it was a hate crime. Are they antisemites if they rule it out?

Something I've noticed with the Israelis is that they seem quite relaxed about the idea that they are probably killing their own Israeli hostages with this intensive bombing of Gaza. They appear quite hardline and radicalised, brutal even....most western democracies would be struggling greatly with these moral dilemmas.

Israel could also just release its own hostages? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Another day of horrific Israeli murder

And nothing Posted by then has shown anything but honest ,

Not 'might', there are certainly hundreds of miles (and videos) of rainbow reinforced tunnels under Gaza (the 'Gaza Metro') where they store thousands of rockets. Israel's targetting capabilities are more sophisticated than than of Hamas.

The hostages are in the tunnels too. One of the tunnels is 70 metres down. The tunnel network is far more developed than anyone realised. Clearly the tunnels will be booby-trapped. Bombing the tunnels seems to be the way to start getting in to them and closing them. Some of the tunnel exits are in mosques and hospitals.

Considering the aim of Hamas, there does not seem to be any 'good' option for Israel here. Either they leave Hamas to keep firing rockets at their civilians and killing and kidnapping their kids or Israel keeps bombing Gaza and the collateral damage is becoming indescribable. I've been watching Al Jazeera today for their perspective and it's just a conveyor belt of bleeding and dying children and anti-Israel protests in Pakistan etc. Nobody wants this, except presumably Hamas?