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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Unfortunately, you might be right.

    Anti-Semitism has exploded all across the world right now.

    From Ireland to France, from Australia to Russia.

    You know it's pretty bad when a mob rocks up to an airport and literally goes hunting for Jews.


    I cannot get my head around the fact that normally progressive people underplay and outright ignore the narrative they are helping perpetrate in hating Jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well if Hamas wont let them leave and the IDF are pushing up in a ground offensive it is QED the IDF can provide a safe corridor for civilians out to Israel as they push in, like they can provide their own corridor for their own troops and logistics, having only lost 2 soldiers so far, it is apparent that they can ensure safe travel if they want to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The Houthis have recently made a significant move by entering the war and launching their second attack of the day against Eilat Israel. Although it appears that their ballistic missile has been intercepted, their aggressive actions have put them at risk of being retaliated against.It is highly unlikely that Israel and the United States would refrain from retaliating if the provocation continues. The Houthi rebels' potential attacks on maritime assets pose a significant threat if they are attacked in Yemen.


    On Friday at 3pm, the leader of Hezbelloh is scheduled to make a highly anticipated speech.  While it remains a rumor at this point, there are increasing discussions suggesting that Hezbelloh might announce its full entrance into the ongoing conflict. This speculation has gained traction, particularly after the official entry of Yemen Houthis into the war, solidifying their position as a member of the Axis of Resistance, with Iran at the forefront.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Are you honestly still trying to downplay the explosion of Anti-Semitism in the world right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I think it is fairly clear that most of the posters on this thread don't understand Israel's right to self defence as per international law. If they did, they would not equate the actions of Hamas with Israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So clearly there are some options. Clearly there are some preferences on methods currently being employed. To suggest that civilian casualties isn't a choice would be a delusion. 

    To suggest that the IDF should have just gone in and kill 30,000 Hamas terrorists who are deeply embedded in day-to-day Gazan life, with little to no civilian casualties is the realm of fantasy.

    Can you please link me to any serious military analyst who suggests this as a realistic proposal and scenario? Any?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    Bibi used to sleep in Jared Kushner's bed when he stayed in his fathers house (not implying he was in it at the time), Trump implemented the Muslim ban, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem indirectly causing lots of Palestinian deaths. I am pretty sure he would be shelling Gaza also if he was in power. I doubt they have that short a memory to push their votes his way, if anything RFK jr might get their votes going by his comments on jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian



    Except what is happening is not the destruction of Hamas, its the killing of innocent civilians en mass. Thousands of women and children.

    Do you think the news reporter in Gaza who lost his entire family to an airstrike considers that any less an atrocity? His family were equally innocent.

    Obviously Hamas have to be opposed, the same as any other terror group like the IRA, ETA etc. But they were not ultimately defeated by levelling cities and killing thousands of innocent people. Those actions only fuel them and swell recruiting from people whose families are all gone and have nothing left to live for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I don't know if you are being realistic here.

    The safest route out of Gaza at the moment is the Rafah gate. It's the gate where aid is coming in. Hamas is not leaving foreign nationals to leave. Yet as usual you blame Israel for this.

    Extraordinary stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There were politicians in Ireland celebrating it by putting Palestinian flags on their profile and quoting "from the river to the sea".

    It seems to me that the typical ignorance of the Irish left-wing politician and supporter now runs like this. Saudi Arabia shouldn't get the 2034 World Cup because of the way that they treat women and LGBTQ+ and the way that they will use slave labour to build the stadiums (just like they said about Qatar) but Palestinians should be given the chance at the expense of Israel to build their carbon copy of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    An awful lot of posters fall into this trap. They are supporting the future Qatar and Saudi Arabia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yes, once Hamas' preconditions are met, like I said.

    Egypt and Israel have no issue with letting foreign nationals go, yet you seem to be defending Hamas here and fingering blame to Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I get tired of pointing this out but if Israeli intelligence was correct about those hiding in the refugee camp and using the refugees as human shields, then the attack isn't a war crime, and if there is any war crime, it was committed by Hamas for using civilian human shields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Are you honestly trying to hyperbolize them?

    Criticism of Israel by state diplomats is not tantamount to 'Jews having no future in Europe.'

    I don't have the gall to conclude "Jews not welcome in USA" either, or "Jews have no future in the USA" after a spike in antisemitic attacks. The US Government and the US people at large deplore that extremism, will prosecute that extremism to the fullest extent of the law, and will defend anyone's right to the hilt to their own freedom of religion without hate crimes or persecution for same.

    So I get to the question again: why should Jews have no future in Europe? I'm not understanding and I thought there were synagogues across Europe. The statement flummoxed me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Again, you seem to be favouring a ground invasion by the IDF.

    Be careful for what you wish for.



  • Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ Faith Steep Comic


    There's plenty banging on about the Palestinians "right to resist". It's the "I'm not a racist, but" approach to try to explain away Hamas violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    Where does this end, is it when Israel do not think Hamas exist?

    How can that happen as Hamas are funded by the IRI who fund several other terror groups.

    If Hamas are obliterated then the funding will only be diverted to a new group where the thirst for revenge will be far greater in the future.

    Added to the fact that the leaders of the western world are as poor as anything we have seen for a long time then there is no limit to how this may spiral beyond Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭spakman


    Anti Semitism != anti Israeli government and military actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    There were politicians in Ireland celebrating it by putting Palestinian flags on their profile and quoting "from the river to the sea".

    Correct. This all happened within hours of the October 7th attack, before any air strikes on Gaza.

    It was a despicable display of anti-Semitism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Which International Laws? Israel doesn't obey the entire ruleset, or recognize all the relevant courts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    This refugee camp is in the very north of Gaza. People were told to flee that area a week ago. If that camp was still occupied its because Hams didn't let people leave.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Lebanon must be in no doubt that it will cease to exist as a functioning entity, even as a failed State if Hezbollah attack, that Beirut's 5000 years of history as a city will be drawn to a close and that that will only be part of it.


    Hezbollah have a 100k rockets and more, a Leb Minister recently said a repeat of 2006 would leave the country in the stone age,as if the restraint shown by Israel in 2006 would be repeated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That doesn't matter if their actions are still within international law.

    What do you say to Hamas' failure not only to recognise international law, but their continuous and repeated committal of war crimes by taking civilian hostages and using hospitals and refugee camps as human shields? Can you actually confirm that you are against these actions by Hamas? From here, it looks like you are an apologist for terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He is downplaying that is is wrong. Not that it is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Christ, I forgot about RFK Jnr. Another crackpot.

    Anyway, the point was that, Arab/Muslim Americans won't have many places to turn to, but if they turn to RFK Jnr, it says a lot about them and it will help Trump get in again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That doesn't matter if their actions are still within international law.

    Then I will regard the original statement as retracted. Their actions aren't all within all international law.

    'you must be a Hamas apologist' please stop. I've had like 3 of these bad faith purity test attempts just today already. From here you can read the previous 469 pages where I already did condemn all that. Nobody here is under any illusion Hamas adheres to any laws. That doesn't give Israel carte blanche.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly



    Have you spoken to any Jews over the past few weeks and gauge their opinion on what their lived experience is?

    Here is a Reuters article giving a summary of what each country is facing.


    But anyway, it is clear you want to underplay the rise of anti-Semitism over the past few weeks even though the BBC has reported a 1500% increase in anti-Semitic incidents over the same time period. It must all be in the head of Jews. Nothing to see here at all at all...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Jewish people are not the problem. 

    I agree, but we need to tell that to people who engage in Anti-Semitism or perpetuate anti-Semitic tropes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It is not helping that Israel diplomatic stunts are orchestrated to encourage the overlap of it directly.

    Yad Vashem chairman Dani Dayan has expressed his disappointment over the decision of the Israeli delegation to the UN to wear yellow badges. "We were deeply saddened to witness members of the Israeli delegation to the UN donning yellow badges," Dayan stated on Tuesday. He emphasized that such a move not only dishonors the victims of the Holocaust but also the State of Israel itself.

    Dayan remarked, "The yellow badge symbolizes the historical vulnerability of the Jewish people and their dependence on the mercy of others. Today, the scenario has changed. We have an independent nation and a formidable army. We determine our own fate. Instead of a yellow badge, we should be proudly displaying a blue-and-white flag.”




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




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