What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

ancapailldorcha · 30-10-2023 05:53PM

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I don't think the speeches themselves are the point. It's the proximity to power and connections. The fees are just grease for the gravy train. Liz Truss is at the same carry on and she's as bright as tar.

banie01 · 30-10-2023 05:53PM

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Surely given Trump's vintage, he deserves the classic approach alá Fletch's cellmate?

https://youtu.be/SVrqkTPIaf4?si=qbWWAlWQOTkjutU0

ohnonotgmail · 30-10-2023 05:55PM

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Blimey, I don't remember that episode of Porridge.

Bass Reeves · 30-10-2023 06:03PM

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its the only way you will ever get to Trump is to taunt him, for to destroy him politically you need to go down into the gutter after him. You need Trump to start reacting to what you say not allow him to taunt continually. Its the mistake all the GOP contenders are making at present. None arecritising Trump they are attacking each other and DT is laughing in the background.

Igotadose · 30-10-2023 06:10PM

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The ones lapping it up likely wouldn't be able to afford the tickets.

briany · 30-10-2023 06:12PM

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Isn't that kind of what Trump wants? It goes back to the old saying of never arguing with an idiot because they'll only bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Far from destroying him politically, I think getting down in the gutter with him normalises Trump's style of discourse and makes him even harder to shift.

Sometimes words are not enough, anyway. He and his supporters need a proper slapdown to stop their ongoing effort of thwarting liberal democracy.

Leroy42 · 30-10-2023 06:16PM

Christie is constantly having a go at Trump, and yet it makes little difference.

When even getting indicted 4 times has not only no negative effect but actually a positive one, then really there is nothing anyone can say that will do any damage to him. We see even here that those minded to be in favour if Trump are not interested in any real discussion. IN their minds, and in the minds of many of the Trump supporters I have seen interviewed, Trump embodies what they want to hear. Even if what they claim he stands for doesn't even tally with what Trump actually does.

briany · 30-10-2023 06:19PM

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Being a Trump supporter and being wealthy are not mutually exclusive by any means. Look at Jenna Ryan, the realtor, who flew to Washington DC on a private jet in order to take part in January 6th. Have to think there are a lot of rich WASPs living down in Florida who are big Trump fans. Forbes released a list of billionaires who donated to Trump, also:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/02/19/here-are-the-billionaires-who-donated-to-donald-trumps-2020-presidential-campaign/?sh=607d31104667

Obviously, Trump would make the most money in the red states, but on top of that there's also things like Trump News that he could launch and usurp a huge amount of Fox and Newsmaxx's audience overnight if he really wanted to.

Quin_Dub · 30-10-2023 06:31PM

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They give him money because they think he might be able to get them something in return if he gets back into Office.

Without the possibility of obtaining elected office ,they wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

Trumps only chance of survival in any way of to win next November.

And he knows it and he is getting more and more desperate by the day.

Bass Reeves · 30-10-2023 06:31PM

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none of them are having a go at Trump. None of them call him any name. Get under his skin, call him, Mr ex President, Mr insurrenctionist, Donald Duck, Mr Orange, Blondie pick a name and stick with it. Call him the Rapist, just find a name he will react to and the more he react to it the more you repeat it. I always found people who called people names hated being targeted with the same thing.

What has Donald and and an old hag got in copmmon......they both dye there scraggly hair blonde

Call him the peroxite blonde

he keeps change people nicknames until he finds one that sticks you just have to do the same with him

briany · 30-10-2023 07:18PM

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They can't lay into Trump. Firstly, they're all stuffed suits. They all sound like politicians reading from scripts because that's exactly what they are. For all of his faults, Trump is genuine in the sense of being a petty, narcissistic anti-politician, and the Republican voters can smell that. He's their darker tendencies distilled into one man. Why the f would they give that up for Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley. It's like someone shooting heroin deciding to go back to drinking cough syrup.

Besides, laying into Trump only alienates that base who they seem to want to commandeer for themselves, so they're left with this unsquareable circle where it's like how do you agree with almost everything Trump says in order to ingratiate yourself to that base somewhat while also saying that Trump should not be president? Trump is the god-king of the Republican party. People have to stop saying that the party needs to move on from him, because he has completely taken control. His numbers have actually ticked up while under multiple federal indictments.

Overheal · 31-10-2023 02:26AM

'I lost the trust of great men like sean hannity' LOL

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/kinzinger-recalls-letter-from-family-disowning-him-they-said-ive-lost-the-trust-of-great-men-like-sean-hannity/

Quin_Dub · 31-10-2023 10:37AM

In other news , the 14th amendment challenge to Trump being on the ballot in Colorado got underway yesterday.

It's the longest of long shots I think , but it could throw up some interesting legal arguments and information.

There's also a case going before the Supreme Court this week that could have major implications for Trumps January 6th defence.

Basically - Two "officials" ( A School board chair and a City Manager) blocked people from their personal social media accounts for abuse and have been sued where it is claimed that because they are public officials they cannot block people on 1st Amendment grounds.

They say that these accounts are their personal accounts and as such they can do as they please. Both accounts long pre-date the individuals taking office.

There was a case exactly like this regarding Trump but it was dropped when he left Office.

Trumps Jan 6th defence is that he was acting in his role as President blah blah blah - BUT , if the Supreme Court rules that these peoples Social media accounts are personal and are not "part of the public office holders scope" , then anything Trump put out on Twitter is fair game and he cannot claim Presidential immunity or whatever.

PropJoe10 · 31-10-2023 12:19PM

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To be honest, if that succeeds it could do more harm than good in the long run. It'll just give Trump more ammunition to say that the whole system is rigged against him. It's far better to keep defeating him at the ballot box.

Quin_Dub · 31-10-2023 12:31PM

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I'd tend to agree to be honest - It just feeds the victim complex , certainly in the absence of an actual conviction for Jan 6th offences.

If he gets convicted via the Jack Smith cases , then by all means use the 14th Amendment to remove him but I think these current attempts are a bit pre-emptive.

PropJoe10 · 31-10-2023 12:48PM

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Yep. This case will go to the Supreme Court anyway so hopefully by the time it gets there, Trump will have a conviction or two on his record to bolster the case. It'll only end up dividing the country even more though - if that's even possible.

Honestly, the damage that this one man has done to the US is beyond calculation.

Burty330 · 31-10-2023 01:29PM

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Valuation charges, document cases , hush money payments. Victimless crimes. Imagine complaining about these things while war rages under the current commander in chief.

Jordan Belfort made his livelihood by ruining peoples lives through fruad. Serves only 22 months in lock up. Name me a singe person Trump has defrauded? Name a single bank who has accused him of fruad? Exactly who besides democrat law makers benifit from a Trump conviction? If there are no victims there is no juctice to be gained. Destruction of the man is what they seek through lies and corruption and that the real force that is destroying the country.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2023 01:30PM

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I dont agree. If he is barred from running he will also be barred from fundraising for an election run.

pixelburp · 31-10-2023 01:32PM

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So in your desperation to validate your belief in Trump, you're now pleading that tax-related crimes are not really crimes to be punished?

Forget Trump: do you believe that tax fraud should receive no penalty? Your post seems to say yes but I'd like you to at least interrogate the broader aspects of your point beyond the defence of Poor Trump, mere Tax Fiddler.

looksee · 31-10-2023 01:38PM

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On the other hand its hard to have sympathy for anyone giving him money at this stage.

looksee · 31-10-2023 01:40PM

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Well at least there is a recognition that he is a criminal - that there are crimes, even if Trumpers want him let off.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2023 01:43PM

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Oh, I don't care about the fools who give him money. I would just rather he didnt have access to the money.

Agent Coulson · 31-10-2023 01:44PM

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Valuation charges are victimless crimes you say.

Say that to every single person that got into huge financial trouble across the whole world that just wanted to buy a home and got into massive debts and maybe even ended up taking their own lifes due to billionaires like Trump or Sean Dunne skewing the property markets to inflate your personal wealth.

These are the men that caused the recessions, housing crashes, depressions.

Easy to see you don't live in the real world if you don't see that as a victimless crime.

Penn · 31-10-2023 01:47PM

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The funny thing is; a big part of his fraud meant paying far less in taxes than he should have. Therefore, his victims.... were everybody in America.

Regardless, financial crimes are still crimes regardless of whether you can name specific people or banks. They are crimes. Crimes that warranted investigation, prosecution and punishment, all in accordance with existing laws and practices.

pixelburp · 31-10-2023 01:50PM

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It's the likes of us who are all apparently suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, yet here's a stone-cold example of essentially inventing conspiracy and handwaving away Tax Fraud lest it involve admitting an emotional investment might be built on straw. The user will be back in a couple of weeks no doubt, with another Drive By Posting.

ancapailldorcha · 31-10-2023 01:55PM

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More tedious Trumpster whataboutery. Pass.

Flaneur OBrien · 31-10-2023 01:56PM

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If they can support a rapist, I suppose it's no stretch to support him if he's also a fraudster as well, tbh.

Quin_Dub · 31-10-2023 02:24PM

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Let's walk through these "Victimless crimes" shall we ?

Valuation Charges

Trump paid less property taxes than he should have - That's a crime , simple as that.

He also lied about the higher valuations to get better terms on loans and Insurance policies etc. , that's also a crime even if the companies got paid back their loans.

In terms of "victims" - How much of Trumps unpaid property taxes should/could have been spent on schools, hospitals and other public services leading to poorer outcomes for the most vulnerable in society?

Document Cases

That's treason, straight up.

In terms of victims , well who knows who has seen those classified documents and what actions they might have taken. People could have died as a result of his cavalier attitude to security and government secrets.

Hush Money Payments

He fraudulently suppressed bad news about himself to help him win the 2016 election - That's a crime, simple as that.

In terms of Victims? - Everybody impacted by having that moron as President for 4 years , the hundreds of thousands that died in his watch under Covid for a start.

So - In short - He committed crimes , there absolutely are victims for each of them and if convicted he should be punished.

odyssey06 · 31-10-2023 02:27PM

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I wasn't aware a war made one exempt for taxes, or put all laws against fraud into abeyance.

Can you point out where that is in the US legal code and IRS processes?

The person who lied was Trump. The person engaged in corruption was Trump.

Is that what you mean by the destruction of Trump through lies and corruption? His own lies? His own corruption?

If you do not challenge these points, if this is just a drive by post, it will be final proof you know you cannot defend your position, and that it is without merit or foundation.

salmocab · 31-10-2023 02:28PM

Victimless crimes like rape. He’s a stand up guy.

What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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