Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

So far, from what I have seen it goes something like this:

(1) Surrender to the terrorists

(2) Let the hostages rot, just their bad luck to be there when the terrorists came knocking

(3) Negotiate with the babykillers

(4) Hand over Israel to the Palestinians

(5) Jews go back to where their grandparents came from (this was seriously proposed until it was pointed out that meant Auschwitz for many)

If they do wish the fight, the only honorable way is suicide missions down into the tunnels for hand to hand combat.

Nobody is supporting Hamas.

And no one talking any sense is using Putin to justify any part of the conflict.

Lots of posters are supporting Hamas.

Hamas have it in their hands to end the current conflict. There was relative peace until 7/10.

Hand ALL the hostages back, hand over those responsible for 7/10 to the International Criminal Court, and hold elections in Gaza. Let the Palestinians vote for peace or war.

Relative peace.

If holding 2M people as effective hostages is relative peace then I don't know what to say to you.

Telling that in your points to resolution, you don't even suggest Israel must do anything.

Accepting hostages when they are offered for release would be something they could do, no?

Imagine if Hamas had put all the money they used to build tunnels, manufacture rockets etc into things like health, education, sanitation....they are far more oppressive of Gazans than Israel is.

Israel now have the bit between the teeth and will do as they wish, with a vengeance literally.

No but it doesn't change the overall equation, it Hamas survive then Israel's existence is not guaranteed.

It's much bigger than the fate of 220 people.

It certainly would ease the load on the Palestinian people but Hamas don't want to do that, that's against their own equation and reasoning.

If hamas agreed to allow 2 a week of approx 200 civies that would be nearly 2 years for a ceasefire that would reward the oct 7 massacre but it would save 10,000 Palestinian children of course there is a wiff of untouchability about hamas terrorist org, setting a new president for acceptance of jadhadi actions anywhere in the world

Palestinian want there own land, "israel" Iran is the elephant in the room here.

Yes. Bibi has tied his fate to destroying Hamas. So even if Hamas release all the hostages I don't think him and Gallant are going to agree to another long term ceasefire with Hamas. I think aside from the pressure from America to hold off on a ground invasion, Israel might be coming around to the idea of sealing off gaza and conducting special forces raids to free hostages. These incursions we see into Gaza could be really about testing how much strength Hamas have left to fight , before sending special forces on deeper missions into Gaza.

You are partially correct, if Israel agrees to a ceasefire it is a victory for Hamas, but the idea that Hamas continuing on is a threat to the existence of Israel is incorrect. Israel has one of the most powerful armies in the world backed up by the most powerful army in the world . Hamas therefore can never be a threat to the existence of Israel. However Israel and America are a huge threat to other actors in the region if they are daft enough to escalate this to a wider war. Iran knows this which is why according to various intelligence agencies it has no desire for a direct confrontation with Israel. This is why there will be no wider war in the region.

Isrealis aren't good at diplomacy, alright.

To be a bit balanced here. The current Isreali government is the most ultra-right of all governments in a democratic country anywhere on the planet right now. And that's one of the reasons why this disaster with Hamas happened, it's not a coincidence. When Benjamin Netanyahu lost his coalition potential, he reached out to the extremists as coalition partners to give him the necessary fourteen seats in the Knesset. This is how Itamar Ben Gvir, who in his youth was not accepted into the army for being too radical and has zero experience in security, became the Minister of Internal Security. They are incompetent people who have absolutely no business in those positions. We saw the result the day of the attack from Gaza that no one expected. As we know these kind of lunatics are useless while in government - see Salvini etc.

It's a warning to everyone - don't elect extremists and never ever let them into the government.

"Without the hostages, without the raping of women and the beheading of children by Hamas, we wouldn't have a conflict."

So why were there 60-65 kids killed in the West Bank by Israel since january?

You think they'll nuke Palestine? My God, that would be perpetrating a holocaust against the Palestinians!

And you think that's their only option? To eliminate the Palestinian people?