Life passing by people in their 30s

Murph85 · 25-10-2023 08:21AM

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I agree, its always further education... There are so many videos on youtube etc at the moment, handymen putting them out, getting easily E120 -150 hour, because the country turned its back on people that can actually fix things or want to do manual work... The money in plumbing , electrics etc and painting, plastering, whatever, is mental. It should be, there is far more to it, than most jobs.

Ive an electrician mate , he does nixers, call out charge went from E60 last year to E80 this year, any other job, you beg to get some meagre increase or the minimum wage you are on, rises by a few cent a year, with the trades if you can get your own work, you can charge, what you feel is appropriate...

Grayson · 25-10-2023 09:12AM

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That's the problem with Ireland. To have a basic standard of living, just security, a small place of your own, you need to be earning loads. Someone with an arts degree should be able to afford that but they can't. We've got to the point where only certain professions can attain financial stability. Life shouldn't be so tough that only a professional, in some professions that are in demand, should be able to afford the basics.

A good example is teachers. Most are arts graduates. They also have either a Hdip or Masters. And they can't get a place on a single wage until their in the job years and years.

cdeb · 25-10-2023 09:29AM

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Head in the sand nonsense I'm afraid. The climate issue is too urgent to keep doing what we're doing and hope we'll solve it down the line, or to fob off with vague oxymorons like "we can grow in a sustainable way".

Ireland's population is small, but that doesn't mean we can ignore what the western world - and overwhelmingly it's the western world - is doing to the planet. And if the rich countries can't have a good society without infinite growth, what hope the rest of the world?

Do you think our population should always keep increasing? I mean, obviously that's impossible; I'm sure you can see that. So where do you think the cap gets set? And if it gets set at 15 million, why can't it be set at 10 million? Or 5 million? Or 3 million? Once population levels off, you have the same societal issues regardless of overall size. Or is that a problem you're happy to fob off to a later generation?

Ultimately the attitude encapsulated in your post needs to be urgently consigned to the privilege-heap of the past. Because it is dripping with privilege and a refusal to recognise what we as a species are doing to the planet. So long as you keep getting richer, that's all you care about.

Former Former Former · 25-10-2023 09:50AM

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A lot of the best people I worked with didn't have at least a 2:1 degree to get in the door now.

That's grand if you have five applicants for one job. If you're in a financial or tech company and you have hundreds of very similar CVs and dozens of jobs, you need some sort of preliminary criteria to whittle down the pile. And thanks to grade inflation, a 2.1 in 2023 is not a massive hurdle to get over.

Between free third level education and the sheer number of professional jobs available in Ireland, it has never been easier for graduates to set themselves on the road to a good salary. It just needs a bit of planning and effort.

Deciding in your 30s that it's time to get yourself together and knuckle down is a life choice that will always have implications, you can't act surprised when things don't instantly click for you.

Donald Trump · 25-10-2023 09:57AM

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Are you trying to tell us that things might have changed in tech since gameoverdude got his foot on the ladder 25 years ago? Surely not.

In relation to getting that degree, don't forget that colleges and universities around the world are also churning out graduates. Not the mention more specific bootcamps. So there is lots of competition. And even then, a particular employer might be looking for a entry level person with experience of one specific thing. Depends on the employer. I wouldn't think it is that easy to get yourself onto a specific path for greatness from day 1.

yourdeadwright · 25-10-2023 10:03AM

The biggest issues in Ireland is the under development of Cities , all of them bar Dublin,

We should have pushed 20 years ago to make Cork,Waterford , Galway into bigger economic powers,

We have about 90% of our college graduates who don't leave looking to work in Dublin, Where there is demand there is of course going to be prices going up ,

I'd have no issues leaving Dublin but it pretty difficult to find good work anywhere else

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TagoMago · 25-10-2023 10:13AM

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On the whole teachers thing, think it's worth noting that teaching graduates who joined the workforce during the last recession would have earned significantly less than their peers before and after this period (probably 2010-2015).

This cohort would be in their early-mid 30s now so would be the ones predominantly looking to buy currently. A teacher I know mentioned to me before that had she graduated a few years before or after she would have earned an extra 35k in the first five years, a pretty significant sum for someone in their early 20s.

Not saying they should be given free houses or anything but it's definitely a factor in some teachers struggling to buy currently.

25-10-2023 10:23AM

Society has to have people work in crèches, being a personal trainer is a very luctrive in the right area, admin work is never going to be well paid yet individuals are climbing mountains to get in to a low paying civil service job giving up other more luctrive careers then complaining about the drop in salarie.

social changes are a big issue no one when I was young moved out from home unless they had to college was too far, or for a job, or emigration. They stayed at home till they got married or if not married they were still there at 40, generally the only singles buying were spinster or bachelor civil servents or teachers. The idea of living on your own for personal space and fulfilment would have seemed bizzare and ridiculous.

Former Former Former · 25-10-2023 10:25AM

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I wouldn't think it is that easy to get yourself onto a specific path for greatness from day 1.

Day 1 is only ever the start and if it was really easy, we'd all be billionaires. The problem is that people are putting off "day 1" for much longer than they used to.

ancapailldorcha · 25-10-2023 10:31AM

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The other issue is the one of reward versus effort. I found a Google Professional Analytics Cert I fancied doing. However, it's 10 hours a week for half a year and would cost a few hundred to do on top. Now, if doing that would get me a good job here in London that I could do remotely then I'd be all for doing it.

A 20% in my salary doesn't help me buy a place when even a basic flat is nine times my income.

25-10-2023 10:32AM

Doing a bit of family history on my mother's side, a civil sevent who lived in digs all his life that would normal for the times and another who owned a small pub yet lived in digs, both of those were in Dublin in the 1930s and 40s. They both came up from the country to Dublin.

BillyHaelyRaeCyrus · 25-10-2023 10:36AM

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So single people never actually had adult lives in the past? Never could have their own tastes, leave a plate unwashed without a telling off? Lived as children as a punishment for not being married? Thats insane

A variety of factors mean we will see at least 1/3rd of people, maybe even half single in so way for their lives. We need to build for that. Dating apps, gender equality, lgbt acceptance and other factors have meant that the old ways of relationships are gone, everywhere in the west.

And as a side note, most long term single people dont choose it, they simply are unable to find a partner due to being physically unattractive. Should that bad luck at birth mean never having a life and living at home at 40? If I was living at home in my 30s never mind 40 I would end my life, literally.

25-10-2023 10:42AM

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I'm not sure what the answer is, I'm sure adult children still living with parents at 40 caused issues in the past, maybe mental health odd behaviour, but the comfort of religion and lower expectations of life might have helped. As I said I don't know the answer.

Former Former Former · 25-10-2023 10:42AM

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Doing an online cert for a few hundred euro is not something you should ever expect to bring massive payback, because it's not really a huge effort on your side. Would an employer really be impressed by it?

If doing said cert allows you into an industry that, after a few years of work, will give you a much more lucrative salary, then it's worth doing - but the effort and reward is in the few years of work, not in doing the cert.

Donald Trump · 25-10-2023 10:44AM

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Point is that the person starting off on day 1 has no real idea of what they will learn or where they will end up. Nothing is set in stone, but there is a massive survivorship bias for anyone with 25 years in an industry explaining how everyone can do it. A d1ckhead of a manager or organisation can set you on a wrong path, or leave you stuck in a path, for years. And you might not realise it until too late. Job descriptions often don't correspond to the reality.

ancapailldorcha · 25-10-2023 10:45AM

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I get that but the alternative is to quit my job and spend tens of thousands on a qualification for what is essentially not much more than a half baked idea.

BillyHaelyRaeCyrus · 25-10-2023 10:48AM

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Im single and never had a relationship, Im early 30s. When I was 24 and came home from living away a family member starting telling me about how I now had to grow up and get on the ladder, that I HAD to buy a home. The person living with their parents is a loser in Ireland, its shamed. I mean renting is shamed, its considered dead money and you are looked at as being a failure for renting as we own property in this country, hence the unhappy desperate people trying all they can to get on the ladder. If renting had no stigma or shame, and living at home didnt either, we would actually solve 99% of the housing crisis.

You seem to be advocated for single people to never have any resemblance to normal life though, and that will amount to being single meaning a shameful life

Sunny Disposition · 25-10-2023 10:52AM

It's a strange time in ways.

People nowadays have way more than when I was a kid, there is no question about that, poverty is nothing like what it was, you can be out of work long term now and still have all your necessities.

The other side of it is that a lot of people who are working can't get houses easily. And expectations are far higher. One of the complaints from those people living with their parents in their 30s was that they have to be quiet when masturbating. Imagine complaining about not being able to **** loudly enough in free accommodation while Palestinian kids are bombed to death.

But one of the real, genuine issues is people putting off starting relationships and having families. For women this is genuinely a potentially huge issue.

While I do think people are way better off than in the 50s and 60s, I also think the mid and late 90s was a better time to be a worker in this country. Nearly anyone who worked would have been able to buy a house, even in cities. It's also a bit more of a rat race now, people are under a lot of pressure I think.

Donald Trump · 25-10-2023 10:52AM

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Tech bootcamps are very popular (and expensive) in the US. Some are good and some are pseudo-scams. I have a friend from my time there who went to one and is now on a salary of near enough 200k 5-6 years later. That was someone with zero background in anything tech related before then. I think their bootcamp might have been about 30k for 6 months. Or there might have been a percentage on their salary for two years after.

Would my friend have gotten their foot into a large organisation like I worked in there after a bootcamp? No, not at all. If you didn't have at least an Masters (with some experience) in a related field, your CV was binned if you applied for an entry level job where I was. But startups will hire them. And if you get your foot on the ladder in a decent startup, then you can learn. But you can also get a crap one and learn nothing. Often those jobs are looking for someone who can use a certain tool which maybe was only released in the last year or even 6 months.

Donald Trump · 25-10-2023 10:59AM

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You need to compare what they had with the standards of the times they lived in. It is not relevant to compare absolute levels of anything across an 80 or 90 years gap.

Nobody rational would say that a graduate today should be happy to live 6 to a room in a house with no running water or electricity and only an outdoor shack above a hole in the ground for a toilet because their great granny grew up in a family of 12 in a two roomed cottage without those things.

25-10-2023 11:15AM

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How did you get that from my post I'm not advocating anything I don't have the answer, I don't think anyone does have the answer or solution not even the fabled SF.

BillyHaelyRaeCyrus · 25-10-2023 11:17AM

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You said people used to live at home well into their 40s. Today those people are shamed and treated as social outcasts and losers regardless of their job etc for living at home. Same with renters, viewed as dead money.

Viscount Aggro · 25-10-2023 11:21AM

If I were back in my 20s, I would do a house share. Would not mind sharing with similar people, for a few years of discomfort. Get a wedge together, for a deposit on a place.

How do you think the Deliveroo guys are doing it . Paying e800 per month, are they?

25-10-2023 11:24AM

This has gone all over the place on the career bit, I know a young graduate who is targeting a certain career they were offered two internships one in Dublin one in London.

They had a good look at both and realised the one in Dublin is mostly admin, the one in London does the real work, the same company, they are going to London , before even graduating they are already stragic about their career.

BillyHaelyRaeCyrus · 25-10-2023 11:29AM

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The deliveroo drivers dont have family looking down on them though. I house shared and now rent on my own and neither are good enough for my family. Im called "dead money". Society seriously looks down on people who rent apart from students or new immigrants. Im deeply ashamed of myself for it. I feel like I have failed in life as a result. I live on my own in Dublin btw in a rental. Im considering emigration because even if I rent abroad, no one calls emigrants "dead money" or say they are "only renting". If renting had the same respect from others as buying a home did I would likely vote FG for tax cuts, instead I vote SF, am considering emigration and feel hopeless and ashamed because Im not a home owner and only rent.

25-10-2023 11:38AM

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You judging yourself society is not looking down on you, the diliveroo drivers. They live in 2 bed, a couple in one room and his cousin and cousin friend sharing the other room, they are possible paying 800 a month each, it works because they come from a culture that makes it work. That's not judging anyone it's just a fact.

BillyHaelyRaeCyrus · 25-10-2023 11:43AM

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They come from a culture in which thats not shameful. Irish people come from a culture that not owning a home makes you a failure and a bad person. People dont visit family in rentals only when they buy a home.

As I said Im considering emigration to a country in which renting is normal as a result so Im not a lesser person

Former Former Former · 25-10-2023 11:52AM

..yu

goodlad_ourvlad · 25-10-2023 11:58AM

I got out of my first stint in college around 2010.... failed an Hons Eng degree, but had an OK Ordinary degree...

I couldn't get a thing, other than some contract technician work.

Managed to get an apprenticeship the following year, did that, then moved to the UK.

Was able to walk into a trainee role in an area that they were looking for MSc and higher for in Ireland.

Got my Hons Degree since, did a PG Cert also, along with numerous professional exams.

Ireland's market is tiny, but, tech companies do love taking in new, good, Irish graduates (I wasn't one of them at the time, but I have friends who walked into Analog Devices, BT, Eircom, BOI, Linkedin, etc...)...

Mid to high level jobs are still very very competitive, and you're up against EU applications and authorised international applicants also.

I've been called to interview for roles ranging from 70-120 k over the last few years in Ireland, but, I simply can't afford to move back without relocation assistance... roughly looking at 10-15k for the move alone, then trying to find a mortgage with expat status, no way am I paying ludicrous rental prices in the interim.

Deeec · 25-10-2023 12:02PM

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Ah Billy society doesnt look down on people renting or those sharing - thats in your head. The media seem to think an adult living at home with their parents is wrong but normal people have no issue with this at all. I see living at home as a sensible thing for young people to do to set themselves up to buy.

Billy 'you are driver of your own bus' meaning you have to drive your life on to achieve your goals. You seem intent on only buying in Dublin when your salary would allow you to buy a small home/apartment in meath, louth, kildare etc. You could even get better value if you moved even further but no you dont seem to see that there is a life beyond Dublin. Your relative you mentioned in your earlier post was actually giving you very good advice but you took offence.

I dont mean to be harsh but unless you change your attitude ( nowhere like Dublin etc ) you are never going to be a homeowner. Also I know being single is a challenge when buying but there are also positives in that you have no dependents to spend/waste money on which means you should be able to save.

Do you have an option to move in with a relative to save a deposit because if you do, grasp it. I honestly do hope that things improve for you but you do have to change your mindset to move on.

Life passing by people in their 30s

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