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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Doesn't that article say that Meadows repeatedly told him hat there was no evidence the election was irregular but that Trump never said as much in Meadow's presence?

    So he " knew" (bc he was repeatedly told) that the election was fair but refused to acknowledge it.

    Was that because he refused to believe/admit it or because he knew that if he acknowledged it openly to his entourage that the game was up ?

    I wonder if he had cronies who were completely in on the scam or did he keep everyone in the grey zone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    When you have someone as credible as Mark Meadows indicating Trump was engaging in such a pattern of willful blindness, yes, it's a lock for a jury IMHO, IANAL.

    Trump who is painstakingly and overwhelmingly documented with compulsive reaction to **** people say, is told multiple times officially and personally by lawyers and his chief of staff he lost, no shot, etc. and he just.... selectively zoned out when people told him the election wasn't stolen, like all he heard was ringing in his ears like a Scorsese movie and after a few seconds of blinking to himself, 'person woman man camera tv,' goes and hits the diet coke button like nothing was said and starts going off about low-flow toilets?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I legit just got a youtube ad that was 3 middle age southern accented men doing poker at home, being like yeah trump had a decent hand, but now he's only got busted flushes etc. or whatever they actually said, i was too busy laughing to the unexpected ad which I assume is targeted at MAGA and exMAGA republicans and centrists to recall exactly what they said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "When you have someone as credible as Mark Meadows indicating Trump was engaging in such a pattern of willful blindness, yes, it's a lock for a jury IMHO, IANAL"


    Not sure how personally credible he is when he wrote a book that contradicts what he is now saying.

    I think it is more of a circumstantial inference that people and jurors will get from his evidence if it dovetails with other witnesses(or compels other witnesses to be truthful)

    Maybe he will be credible in that we can see how he really is rather than that we necessarily buy everything he is selling.


    And thanks for reminding me about the concept of wilful blindness.

    Trump playing dead stupid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Basically yeah that’s trumps gambit imho.

    Republicans pick their next smash bros character after calling mulligan on their last one. an election denier once again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,868 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    Interference with witnesses!?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭francois


    Just goes to show what a self serving shìt Meadows is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That seems to be the sober read of it. 'im not saying go out and target him yet, but he should really think about things'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What a day in the Speaker shutdown




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    On a somewhat related tangent, I see John Stewart has had his Apple show canned cos he was gonna do episodes on China and AI - which the Apple paymasters didn't like.

    I will agree on one thing with Trump: America is indeed a failing nation. For a host of reasons, but now including its inability to shake itself off from a cult obsession with a blaggard and wannabe tinpot presidente.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Once upon a time the Speaker was a very senior member of the party, usually with decades in Congress. Pelosi, Ryan, Boehner, Tip O'Neill, Newticles.. Even McCarthy had been around awhile.

    That matters a lot - Speaker needs to know how to push the buttons that need pushed on both sides, needs to know their colleagues on both sides.

    Thehill thinks this guy Johnson, another 2d termer, has a chance. Hopefully not, he's just a well groomed Magat who occasionally has taken an anti-extreme-maga opinion when it was safe to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,696 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I wouldn't be too concerned about contradictions between his book and any testimony he gives. While there are obviously restrictions on what he can say in a book with regards defamation, libel etc, in a book he's entirely free to lie by omission by simply not mentioning things that don't fit the narrative of the book, lie about his own thoughts and opinions etc.

    Giving testimony under oath, especially when there are other witnesses giving testimony and supporting evidence, he's about as credible as any of the others. Ultimately, he's taking a plea deal and agreeing to testify on behalf of the prosecution under penalty of perjury, and he's agreed to it because it represents his best chance of a relatively minor punishment.

    Lying to sell books is easy and very few penalties for being caught out. Under oath, in court, having negotiated a plea deal... it'll probably be the most credible he's ever been. No doubt Trump's lawyers will point out what he said in his book and contradictions between that and his testimony, but it's pretty easily batted away by "I said that to sell books, but now I'm under oath and compelled to tell the truth."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,151 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Is the use of "stollen" deliberate at this stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,868 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    none of his sycophants will tell him he can't spell for ****

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,578 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    He has to keep using it as to correct it at this stage would be admitting he was wrong. That cannot happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,232 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'd say so. If his supporters don't care about his litany of lies and bigotry, they certainly aren't going to mind a few spelling mistakes. Plus it makes him seem like one of them, rather than those highfalutin members of the establishment and deep state who can spell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,227 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I do think that the plea bargain they are making for the lawyers seems very low cost to those who carried out the crimes. Getting a few years probation seems like a very soft wrap on the knuckles.

    I understand the first one, you need to start the dominoes falling, but the likes of Jenna Ellis, well she didn't even really accept her guilt. Pretty much blamed others around her for making it al up and she was simply caught up in it. Little remorse there.

    And these are pretty serious offences. Attempted to overturn democracy. It really doesn't get much more serious than that in a democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,452 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I hope they will also be dis-barred / suffer professional consequences? They need to be rendered useless as pawns for Trump, and made it clear to anyone thinking of doing his illegal bidding that it is professional suicide.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I would say the reduction in the severity of charges would be proportionate to the information supplied as part of the plea deal. Make of that what you will



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,629 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    IWT the logic is, make sure of the case against Trump. They are also protections for democracy in most of the witnesses turning state evidence. They are all totally damaged professionally anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,227 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Yeah, I get that, but it just seems that it sends out the signal that you can carry out in such a blatant, and let's be honest an arrogant way that they did, and simply blame it all on somebody else.

    They made the decision to get on board, they made the decision to take part in the press conferences. They made the decision to ignore and belittle anyone who tried to point out the issues. I, personally, found the whole Jenna Ellis crying act a little hard to take yesterday. She was basically claiming that she was taken in by big bad people and never really understood what she was doing.

    I get it that they are going after the big fish, and their testimony makes that much easier, but the bargain seems far too lenient to me. I mean even the restitution amounts, $5000 or something. What is that supposed to cover? THe time they wasted, the effort of behalf of the state to defend their nonsense.

    If I was Trump, or whomever comes next, I would think that paying these people a couple of million to set them up for life is well worth the outcome. Trump has effectively used this whole nonsense to ever avoid having to concede defeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Sidney Powell still trying to play both sides.

    I suspect she's heading for losing her plea deal if this continues. At the very least she is going to make a completely terrible witness for the prosecution.

    Sidney Powell Pushes Posts Disputing Election Results, Attacking Prosecutors After Guilty Plea (businessinsider.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,337 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I'd bet she sees Trump doing it and thinks she will also get away with it



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He's another full on Election denier - Played a key role in promoting the bullshit lawsuit from Ken Paxton and others trying to overturn the results in several States.

    If Ken Buck is true to his word , then that's 1 vote gone , all that's required is 3 more to not vote for him.

    Apparently at the "validation" vote he got 100% support , but 22 members were not there for the vote and 3 voted "present" so I think he's another dead-duck.

    The only question is whether or not he'll put himself through the indignity of failing a floor vote before dropping out.

    Post edited by Quin_Dub on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,151 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Its a mafia case. you have to think in those terms. they dont care about the street guys, only the capos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,279 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    He's still going on about Stollen. I wonder is it as nice as Supervalu's version?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I'm sure those 1488 supporter types of his like the German reference



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub



    It's all of the above really.

    No one is going to correct him , because he's a petulant child and even if they did he would refuse to fix it because "Covfefe" and decent chunk of those "liking" his posts won't have noticed the mistake anyway.



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