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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    As part of her plea deal she had to tell the prosecutor EVERYTHING she knows. If they think she isn't her plea deal gets scrapped. I don't think going to prison for Trump is on her agenda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,678 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Forbes magazine have disputed Weisselberg' senior's testimony at the NY Fraud trial. NYAG has asked for a review of emails that were subpoenaed but on the basis of the Forbes article, were not passed over to the NYAG in original discovery.

    If Weisselberg has perjured himself? I think he will see the inside of a cell for quite a while.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Because that suited the man at the tiller with his hands-on lifestyle. Plausible deniability is not in his playbook, for which justice must be grateful.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m talking about the state specific polls. They are the only ones that ever matter. Look at Pa and Mi.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Them bricks keep falling... Taken from cnn.com and bolded by me.

    Kenneth Chesebro, a Donald Trump-aligned attorney who helped craft the 2020 fake elector plot, is pleading guilty in the Georgia election subversion case.

    The plea deal is another major victory for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who charged Trump and 18 others in the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Thursday, former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell also pleaded guilty.

    Chesebro is pleading guilty to one felony – conspiracy to commit filing false documents. Fulton County prosecutors are recommending that Chesebro serve 5 years of probation and pay $5,000 in restitution. He agreed to testify at any future trials in the sprawling election subversion case and write an apology letter.

    Chesebro helped develop the Trump’s campaign’s plot to put forward unauthorized slates of GOP electors in Georgia and six other states. (In previous court filings, Chesebro’s lawyers have denied that he devised the plan.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Think that is supposed to dent T's legal strategy as those two early trials would have tipped the prosecution's hand for those being tried later.

    Now his early warning system has gone on the blink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The next 2 paragraphs are reported quotes from Trumps lawyer, Steve Sadow, on an ABC news online print report. The use of the "MY" word in Mr Sadow's statement that "once again, I fully expect that truthful testimony would be favourable to my defense strategy" could turn out handy for him.

    Trump attorney Steve Sadow said it appears as if Chesebro’s guilty plea “was the result of pressure by Fani Willis and her team and the prosecution’s looming threat of prison time.”

    He also reiterated what he said after Powell’s guilty plea, which similarly included a commitment to testify in future trials: “Once again, I fully expect that truthful testimony would be favorable to my defense strategy.”

    Link:https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=e88629aa0d12adbeJmltdHM9MTY5Nzg0NjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0xYTRlZWZkZC1mYjU5LTZkZmItMzVkMi1lMDI2ZmY1OTZmMzAmaW5zaWQ9NTE4MA&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=1a4eefdd-fb59-6dfb-35d2-e026ff596f30&psq=Are+the+Georgia+Trump+trial+jurors+being+sworn+in+now&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9hYmNuZXdzLmdvLmNvbS9VUy93aXJlU3RvcnkvanVyeS1zZWxlY3Rpb24tc2V0LWJlZ2luLXRyaWFsLWdlb3JnaWEtZWxlY3Rpb24tY2FzZS0xMDQxNjUyNDY&ntb=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    “I think this plea deal absolutely shows and proves that he was not and never was the architect of any sort of fake elector plan or anything like that,” Grubman told reporters.

    then why take the plea deal?????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I am conjecturing now but it might be an attempt at some sort of legal sidestep deal as Chesebro is still facing investigation [and maybe prosecution in federal court] by Special Counsel Smith for his attempt to get 16 Georgia GOP voters to sign faked election return documents for that state. I think part of that investigation had/has Chesebro meeting with Trump to work out how to get the fake returns made up and signed, with input from Rudy, the other Trump advisor on law matters.

    Edit... I had a look at the Smith investigation re Chesebro on the internet and noticed a quote by Grubman in a separate follow-up item: Chesebro had been "inaccurately" described as the "architect" of the so-called fake elector plan.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Whelp. This is where the US is right now. This absolute nut job is the “compromise” candidate who was able to unify the party.


    Apparently attempted treason is great for the career



    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Trump has had a wobbler in court today apparently. Violated his gag order again, ordered to take the stand and then fined $10000. What an absolute first class turd this man really is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Is the loss by Jordan of the election to the position of House Speaker [including the 3rd secret ballot] and the election of Johnson a plus or minus to Trump in terms of the GOP honchos in the house? Could it be an indicator at this "early" stage that the tide has changed where loyalty to the party is now seen as more important than loyalty to Trump and horse-trading back in vogue or are things still in flux in the GOP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The judge's spoken response might have gotten under Trump's skin when he referred to the credibility of the witness [Cohen] making it clear to the court [incl Trump and his lawyer] he had not made a pre-judgement in the case.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Why is Trump using the line that Cohen is a lier in his posts. Yes, Cohen is a lier and that is why he went to jail... But the lies that he told were on behalf of Trump weren't they.

    Even in Trumps barely functioning logic centre of his brain, how can he possibly think that is a good defence against Cohens testimony?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Trump doesn't think like that. Cohen is now his "enemy", therefore everything Cohen does is "wrong" no matter that some of those things were done at Trump's bidding.

    He has the thought processes of a 9-year-old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    the previous lies were in Trumps favour so that makes them ok in trumps eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,234 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I wonder do the likes of KellyAnne Conway or Lindsey Graham etc ever take a moment to reflect on the chaos they helped to create in the US. I don't expect them to ever admit it publicly, but in the quiet moments do they have any pangs of guilt for helping Trump to the power he has? It would appear from the complete break that Ivanka has done with Trump in relation to the campaign that she has at least considered that it is not in her own interests to stay so close (although I doubt very much whether she has cut ties with the business)

    I know that many of them appeared to have crossed that line on Jan 6th, before quickly pushing those feelings back down on the basis of personal/party benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    According to a Journal.ie report on MSN, two court lawsuits are on in different states to prevent Trump standing in the ballot in the 2024 presidential election using the 14th amendment part where those who swore an oath to the constitution and then "engaged in insurrection" against it cannot hold high office again. The first suit began today in Colorado where an effort is being made to keep Trump off the ballot in that state. Tump failed in a legal move to have the judge hearing that suit recuse herself because she once donated money to a liberal group.

    The 2nd suit is set to start on Thursday before the Minnesota state supreme court.

    Expectations are that Trump's legal team will go to the USSC to block the suits. A section of the report reads as follows "The nation’s highest court has never ruled on the Civil War-era provision in the 14th amendment that prohibits those who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and then “engaged in insurrection” against it from holding higher office".

    Mention is made in the report that the suits were filed by two liberal groups with significant legal resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Ref the chance of no agreement between both parties in the House on funding the US Govt and federal agencies [due to the activities of a certain non governmental person and his allies] in the next vote, would it be to the benefit of the new Speaker to cobble together a deal between both parties in the House and agree on ensuring an agreement on the funding, thus certifying an independent position free from influence by that person currently not in Govt service? This would include the proxies and allies of the non-governmental person. I'm assuming that the new Speaker would like to be in a position of power free of obligations to the current outsider.

    I'm looking at the CNBC TV media [Squawk Box] read on how the US economy is doing market-wise and how the Fed seems to be prepared NOT to raise rates at the present because such a move might have no effect either way on the market and the US economy. Is the US market concerned as much as the media seems to be about a failure of congress to agree on funding of the Govt and federal services [incl various social services] or is the media fretting about a lack of agreement gaslighting, giving some advantage to the person not in Govt service and his allies in the House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm looking forward to the next Trump Snr court session to see if he takes the stand and testifies like his sons did. They basically threw the qualified accountants under the bus with their testimonies "we are not qualified trained accountants - we just signed the documents they advised us to".

    Donald Snr defence line [when things get tough] "I just signed whatever was put in front of me as I was advised, that all was legal and in order" - with a minor alteration - "it's not my fault that my sons were amongst the advisors I relied on when they put the documents in front of me for signature".



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Presumably the accountants will be along at some point to state that they just operated under instructions from Trump?


    The accountants are kind of screwed either way. One scenario is they came up with the idea of making false accounting because they like their clients being richer, or they knowingly worked with false numbers that Trump supplied. Both result in them at best not working with numbers again.

    Their only get out of jail card is to drive the bus over Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Their problem is that it was established in the enron case that their defence isn't a defence at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Unlike when he was president, the buck really does stop here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I have a fear that if he sees he has lost the legal case stated against him and won't accept it, he will try another publicity stunt to [get a crowd] help him out again, aiming to present a/the judge with an option A [monetary fine] or option B [confinement] situation, prior to the judge making a ruling on the actual case presented by his defence in rebuttal to the prosecution case.

    Confinement [in one of it's variations] might be the best for the US and his [real and alternative] family. As a former president, Trump knows the constitution allows for rest and rehab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Has he not already been found guilty and the case is only to determine sentence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    By "if he sees" I meant his changing his refusal to accept losing his business future and what he sees as his family empire and legacy to hearing the likely sentence ruling from the judge being the new reality for him. I can't see him accepting any hurtful ruling from the judge. He had to officially hand over control of his business to be president in 2016 which must have hurt him. His ego and allies are probably the only things keeping him going in a stable way right now. All the "lock them up" rubbish he spouted in the past may be coming too close to home for his liking.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    He had to officially hand over control of his business to be president in 2016...


    Which the people who he supposedly handed over control to have now said in court that they knew nothing about the running of the businesses and it was all someone else's fault.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yes - This case has been all about laying the groundwork for an appeal by Trumps legal team.

    Hence the scattergun approach regarding arguments - If they want to use something in the appeal it has to have been brought up in this court-room.

    That's why they went after the Court Clerk , so it's on the record so they can launch some bullshit "Corruption/Bias" argument on appeal.

    In some ways I think they are deliberately antagonising Engoron so he goes super hard in his Judgement , further fueling their "bias" argument for the appeal.

    Trump won't hand over a penny for years here , he'll drag this out forever on endless appeals and motions .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    For once, the reality of his situation has hit home. On leaving the courthouse, Trump's response to questions from the media was a [zipper up] hand movement across his mouth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,678 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I look forward to Trump and his pet accountants trying to come up with a way to excuse themselves for being responsible for not following GAAP, Sarbanes-Oxley and any Dodd-Frank provisions that Trump LLC may have breached too.



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