Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

See Boggles, we can agree on things. 😉

This isn't really about destroying Hamas (as they can't actually be 'destroyed', in the same way as the Taliban couldn't be). It's not about land-grabbing Gaza either (there's nothing there worth having - as proven when Israel demolished their own settlements and pulled out in 2005). It's about sending a message. I think Tom Friedman put it well in the NYT this week: "you will not out-crazy us in this neighbourhood".

I actually think there is another party being sent a message - but this one is being sent via Washington and Jerusalem.

And that party is Russia. Who I think will come to regret at leisure their decision to ally themselves with the Iranian regime.

So you would have no problem with several Hamas rockets destroying apartment buildings in Tel Aviv as long as Hamas claim they were aiming for the IDF headquarters?

Gaza wasn't worth having because it was filled with Palestinians.

Problem will be solved.

The reasons they haven't obliterated Gaza in the past is because A. they are terrified of what might replace Hamas. B. Hamas was an asset of Bibi and his regime and C They would have to have given Palestinians certain basic rights. God forbid.

All those factors still exist.

The logical conclusion is you remove all three from at least from the part you steal.

Of course Hamas 2.0 will rise up from the deprivation in Refugee camps and the horror stories of ethnic cleansing.

Anyway it's not like I invented or it is even my opinion, the regime are telling us what they are going to do.

The West are facilitating it, with of course certain hollow caveats.

If it was Hamas then that's both the Palestinian government and the army.

But it wasn't Hamas.

If attacks on Palestinian homes which contain weapons and the resulting death of civilians is legitimate.

Is the attack of Israeli homes which contain weapons and the resulting death of civilians also legitimate?

Do crimes against humanity warrant a response that are also crimes against humanity?

But if it’s carried out by people with a democratic mandate it’s ok?

Oh well if the IDF said it then it must be true 🙄

The only thing we know is that it was launched by the Palestinians, Hamas or Islamic Jihad same difference.

This is a a pretty reasonable suggestion, we keep saying that Israel and the West need to do something and agree to the two states , Ive always said that the two state solution is the only realistic option,but there is no moderates on the other side,it's all Jihajd or nothing nobody wants to help or take in Palestinians the west and the EU are essentially bankrolling Gaza and the Westbank but Iran has all the influence, they want Israel wiped off the planet and so do Hamas,then over in the Lebanon you have Hizbollah who also want Israel wiped off the planet and sponsored and supplied by Iran , Lebanon is also heavily funded by the west ,so we end up with and this thread is a prime example Israel needs to be punished,the US needs to stop supporting Israel,if the US stopped supporting Israel over night,they would face slaughter on an industrial scale,

So people don't want any real solution unless it involves ending Israel,