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"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Cannot blame the ref for the teams failures on the pitch! The ref did not make those silly mistakes & decisions and lack of mentality that were our downfall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It happens, we have been poor for periods in games we have won too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    10 WC failures to at least get to a semi-final is most certainly a mental-barrier!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Look even though I played a bit years ago in the forwards I wouldn't pretend to really know what goes down now in top level scrummaging. But Shane Byrne does and it's his opinion that Porter was well on top of his opposite number in those early scrums. That they couldn't take the pressure - what did Barnes do?? Penalise Porter is what he did - the ref read it wrong and impacted the early crucial stage of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭almostover


    Problem is, Cane totally outplayed him on Saturday when it mattered most. Not arguing that on the whole VdF is a better player, but that sums up what was the difference on Saturday. Our top guys were outplayed by their opposite numbers.

    Beirne, VdF, Doris, JGP, Sexton & Lowe were all outplayed by their counterparts in a black Jersey.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Of course Shane Byrne would say that...Porter was told by the ref what he was doing wrong yet kept making the same mistake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭almostover


    Put down the bottle, Sheehan? 25 year old Dan Sheehan who has 20 caps and has been a fixture in the side since his 1st cap?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Lol! JGP wasn't eligible back then. Sexton was the best 10 by a mile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What mistake was Porter making? He's a very experienced scrummager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭almostover


    Because Porter was driving at an angle, and continued to do so all game? As he has been doing all tournament?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    We were headless chickens in the first quarter due to fear in the biggest game of them all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    He was going in crooked everytime. For an experienced hooker he was awful on saturday when he was needed most...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    JGP is overrated, face the facts James Lowe, Bundie Aki,JGP are NZ rejects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    From somebody who didn't spot a try and conversion being scored when they had 14.

    Exaggerating a few mistakes is nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    So Leicster is a Tongan reject? DeGroot an Aussie reject? Stop!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    For someone who can't see that we choked on saturday night...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    Watching it now and its 20 minutes in but no sign of headless chickens?

    Great attack from NZ and defence from Ireland. Bit unlucky to give away penalty as player was pinned and couldn't roll away.

    Turned over on halfway and NZ kick penalty.

    Good irish attack ending in suspicious steal by NZ and they clear to touch.

    NZ score a brilliant try from open play.

    What are you talking about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭jones


    Lot of bollox being spoken on this thread since the match. Can't really understand it, its almost as if certain people are happy the team was beaten or are just on wum mode for the craic. It was a close game fook all in it.

    The top 4 teams can all beat each other - we beat South Africa and France earlier in the year but lost to NZ even though we beat them in NZ last year. France beat NZ and lost to SA and us earlier in the year.

    There's such small margins but certain people seem only too delighted to use the terms bottlers/chokers etc. Facts are it was very tight and unfortunately we came out on the wrong side of it. I do think nerves played a part we definitely started slowly and I'm still gutted over it but reading some of the comments here are bonkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,120 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    What position does Porter play? And don’t look this up if you don’t already know. Just put away the internet for a while and find a ball of wool to play with til bedtime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    For a top team to makes mistakes like that in the first quarter is brainless. The fact is NZ knocked us out of our comfort zone and we couldn't adapt or at least think on our feet. The kiwis knew very well the weak irish game mentality and exploited it like other teams have down the years. If you cannot think on your feet then you are a headless chicken!! Again when it mattered most we didn't have it upstairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    It was 13-0 and then 18-17 at halftime which means they adapted.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Cheers. I wish we hadn’t had to have met in the ¼ finals. I’ve not forgotten the spell 1991 to 2007 for nz. One off games can go either way. I think nz can beat Argentina after that who knows. I couldn’t get tickets for the 1/4s but have managed to get for the ½ final. Taking my 11 year old daughter to her first live match. Will try and be the antithesis of a typical kiwi by making some noise to support the team. I do wonder who bundee, Jameson and James will support now. I’d like to think nz. You guys will be back. There is real respect for Ireland now. Which has been earned on the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Meant prop sorry, typo error. Porter was awful the whole tournament and was making the same mistakes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Adapted too late...again couldn't think on their feet when it mattered most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Another question, did it get to the players or did they just have an off game? They aren't robots, you're not going to be at your best every single match.... its why sports is so compelling. Its why we watch it. The minnows having their day out in the sun sometimes v the big boys...



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  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's a lot of nonsense talk about 'We were hyping ourselves up'. Firstly who is we, also people need to understand the nature of sport and enthusiasm.

    1. Andy Farrell his management team or players never hyped themselves up. They are European Champions, Series winners in New Zealand and thus one of the top 4 favourites. We never entered a World Cup as strongly. These things can't be denied and are not hype.
    2. Posters on here. All the rugby core posters, Syd, Venjur, Aloof and the countless others were all optimistic but wary. We weren't a standout favourite like New Zealand in 2011 and 2015.
    3. This has been a fairly dull sports year for many, the GAA inter county season is over in July, our Soccer team are at a low ebb. What was there left to build up to.. the Rugby World Cup. You had friendlies from August. A two month tournament. That's a lot of time to talk about rugby. It's not the management or team's fault July to October would be dominated in the media by Rugby World Cup talk. There's a huge cross section of people who follow all our team sports. So it was going to be rugby July on.
    4. The rugby team and management are very likeable people. Andy Farrell is a decent man, with Irish roots and a working class background that a wide cross section of people relate to. He's a very popular straight talking man. His predecessors were good men too. Andrew Porter, Josh VDF, Doris, Ringrose, Aki, Furlong etc are all grounded fine young men, leaders and men with character. Sexton and O'Mahony have their edge and not everyone's cup of tea. But every team has those personalities. I saw Sexton on the Late Late in the Spring with a girl with a serious disability. She spoke of how he always kept in touch. He's a different man away from the pitch. God knows we all know people who lose it a bit on the pitch in any sport but are often fine people away from that environment.
    5. If Virgin or RTE are constantly making ads about rugby, so what? Are you going to berate our team because Donal Lenihan says 'we can dare to dream'?? That's television. When Dancing With The Stars is on it's two months of ads about that. Rubbish shows like the talent ones on Virgin are advertised to death. This doesn't mean the rugby populace or the team and management are doing the hyping. That's television the world over.
    6. Just adding. A miserably wet summer and autumn since July had a lot looking forward to an escape more than ever!

    At the end of the day we were a top 4 team with New Zealand, France and South Africa. The 4 teams got tough draws. We played a quarter final against New Zealand we made some errors in and lost by 4 points. We fought back well from 0-13. We had a chance to win it, we were held up over the line. We lost that's sport. Anyone who has ever been involved at any level of any sport will know that. I'm not even going into explaining what a bottler is again. I was in old Lansdowne when we lost by about 50 points to New Zealand in 1997. We just keep improving. It's a long way back to 1997. A few posters have mentioned shame and embarrassment. That's, quite frankly ridiculous, and attitudes and feelings like that are owned by the individuals who typed them. They are yours and belong to nobody else. The question for you is why are you adopting a Roy Keane pre 2002 World Cup approach that anything other than outright victory is failure? Do you apply those same standards to areas of your life? Do you apply them as stringently to other sports Irish teams are involved in? If you're coming from a GAA, Soccer, Horse Racing, Boxing etc background do you apply these standards to the teams you support? Would you belittle their achievements if similar to the rugby team's Six Nations and New Zealand series win..

    Do non rugby people realise a Test Series is not a group of friendlies? Do you understand how small our rugby playing population is and the scale of our over achievement? Just a few thoughts.

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