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"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    I suspect the following question from, in truth, a non rugby person (but big sports fan generally) will annoy some, but is there not a smidgen of truth in the often put argument that test matches are, ultimately, more akin to friendlies and simply can't have the same intensity as knock out matches? I know both teams take tests very seriously but when there is, ultimately, no silverware at stake, its difficult for me to understand how that is comparable to a match like last night. Seems to me that World Rubgy needs more than 1 knock out competition every 4 years (and I know the world calendar is presently being reviewed). The 6 nations is great and all, but its the same six teams being played in a two year rota, every single season....



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was in Stade de France last week for the Scotland game and there were a few goys, straight out of a Ross O Carroll Kelly novel, sat behind me.

    About 70 mins in one of them questioned when would Farrell bring Conor Murray on. I turned around to explain he came on for James Lowe around the 42nd minute, and was met with a very confused face.

    "For fock sake Fiachra, James Lowe went off injured haaawf an hour ago".

    You get all sorts at these matches 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭ersatz


    There are 4 or 5 Irish out halves who would have been better than Johnny in the last 30 minutes last night. He had a poor game yesterday. I thought it was a real tell that BB went for a drop goal, a few years ago it didn’t occur to him and he wasn’t prepared for it but yesterday the ABs played classic knockout rugby. On another day they go to the corners w those early penalties but against Ireland they understood that getting in front was half the battle won.

    JS has been a mighty player for us but the argument many of us made a couple of years ago still stands. The fact that no one else is better doesn’t change the fact that he likely wouldn’t make it through a brutal wc campaign and sure enough by 55 minutes last night his legs were gone but Crowley didn’t have the confidence of the coaches, even though he might well be good enough if he’d had the investment. Without being disrespectful, this became the Johnny sexton show rather than the World Cup show. It’s not a poor reflection on sexton, he’s a stone cold pro who was selected and proved his value, but the selectors should have known this was a likely scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    He was still the best 10 for the last 2 years. And not by a small margin.

    That's not indulgence.

    There's a clear argument he could've been taken off earlier last night, but that's something else entirely.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Crowley turns 24 in the new year, he has 10 years ahead of him. We need someone to nail the 10 quickly. I think Crowley will.

    After every WC it's the beginning of a new era. I posted ages yesterday. We had the oldest squad in the tournament. A lot of 31 year olds. How many will make 2027 at 35.

    Farrell has to build a new team. Longterm I see O'Gara taking over. He's 46 now. So in many ways in his heyday as a relatively young coach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,151 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Game on!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭rubbledoubledo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭riddles


    That shouldn't be his choice solely it's cost dearly last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Because they won, if NZL lost they wouldnt be too happy either about the situation either. The applies for either France or SA tonight.

    Argentina and England are an absolute rabble yet are in a SF despite not beating a side ranked higher than 7th in the world and yet Ireland and one of SA/FRA are going to be out in the QF's after having to play 3/2 top 5 teams...when a draw is done based on rankings from 4 years ago this is the shambles you get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Is ROG really that good of a coach? He basically was given a blank cheque book to buy LAR success. He cant do that with Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    All that and still an underachiever with a terrible attitude problem.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A world player of the year an underachiever! With those honours! Sure Jonah Lomu, Christian Cullen, Phillipe Sella were all under achievers too. They never won a World Cup.

    10s are narky by nature, ROG had a bit of it too. A bit cocky, call the shots. Sexton is Ireland rugby's Roy Keane in terms of attitude, win at all costs.

    He was on the Late Late with a little girl with a disability a few months back and there was a different Johnny.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I suppose we won't know until he moves up to international. He seems shrewd to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,839 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll never look at yesterday's game again. I never looked at the 2019 QF v NZ again. Some losses just hit hard.

    Same with a few matches from my own sports life. Never could look at them. Many Kerry players never looked at the 1982 All Ireland until they were in their 60s. Joe Frazier only looked at the Thrilla in Manilla 1975, for a HBO documentary in 2007. Certain losses cut deep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    This was our big chance ! We got a **** draw , played not great and ran it to the wire against nz. We win that. We beat Argentina and its a coinflip again in the final...

    Can't see us having such a good chance again...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    For that Ireland team not to advance past a QF is an underachievement. It just simply is and hes the captain of that team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,632 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😀😀😀 wow how far off the mark are people going to get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Your making excuses for him.

    None of those excuses are good enough for his champions cup final behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Hopefully next WC get someone like Fiji in the QF for a change...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,922 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'd be okay with watching it myself. I think it would have been even worse if we had led for 80 mins and then conceded in added time - that would be off the scale in levels of disappointment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Excuses for what? What does he owe you? He has no responsibility to you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    " It  was fit for a final. Ireland have now been involved in probably the two best games of the World Cup and go out as possibly the best team ever to lose in the quarter-finals. But as Richie McCaw observed this week, sometimes quarter-finals can be harder to win than finals, and Irish rugby teams certainly know that better than anyone."

    What you wouldn't give for another shot at this wc, with the same group of players , with a sorted out line-out ... just feels like the six nations is now a joke in comparison to rwc. Shame we couldnt stamp our mark on a rwc , feels so underwhelming and disappointing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,632 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I’d have the same attitude going into a game with them tomorrow. That we would be well capable of beating them.

    A bounce of a ball in it again probably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Yeah I think You run that game ten times and Ireland win it 6 or 7 times out of ten... obviously assuming a proper line out. That goes without saying....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    When did i say he owed me something. I know the love in of all things sexton is strong in these parts, but some people seem to think he is flawless when he clearly isnt.

    He had a bad game yesterday and should have been taken off. His attitude effects his performance in positive and negative ways unfortunately but some people cant see that.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If we could learn from it as Richie and some teammates did from the French QF in 2007. If that steels Keenan, Doris, Hansen and the players who will be around in 2027. From when the draw was made we knew it would be tough.

    France are under huge pressure tonight. It will be really interesting to see do they drop a few balls, give away a few penos they wouldn't normally etc.

    By the way Richie McCaw's 2015 documentary 'Chasing Great' is a brilliant documentary. You can see how pressure effected an all time great like him, as captain in 2007.

    I recently read that before the 2009 All Ireland v Tipperary, Henry Shefflin cried to his wife that he felt he couldn't cope, 'Imposter Syndrome' he didn't believe he was the hurler and leader all thought. Yet you have knockers on here who will never experience anything like that label them bottlers, chokers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,632 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You called him an underachiever. That’s bollixs no matter how much you try to qualify it



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  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Early in the match last night myself and @walshb were firing a few posts at one another. At half time I said we're a point down and playing shite. I was wired and invested, as were most. I didn't mean shite as in really bad. I was annoyed at a few failed lineouts, scrum penalties, being out rucked a few times, a few misreads in defence. That in know way meant choking or bottling. We did a lot right to come back from 13 down. Bottlers GIVE UP.

    Also in a game of equals everyone is fighting to be on the front, to score early. Your 15 men are playing against another 15 men who are going to play with ferocity. New Zealand were perfectly placed to to be at high intensity last night given the Irish series win last year. It was very easy to motivate them.



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