Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

18968978999019021189

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,696 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Scalise has withdrawn from the race to be Speaker, acknowledging he won't get enough votes.

    Pretty much just leaves Gym Jordan, but also doesn't mean he'll get enough votes to win. Probably not for several rounds of voting anyway.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Jordan hasn't a hope either.

    From the latest info all it takes is 4 to abstain or vote against - There are definitely at least that many who will never vote for Jordan.

    At least Scalise had the self respect not to subject everyone to multiple failed votes.

    Compromise candidate with significant concessions to the Democrats is the only realistic pathway here.

    Not matter how this plays out , the GOP come away from it all badly damaged.

    Absolutely nothing about this disfunction says to independent voters "Pick us , we can do a good job!!"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Also, the fact the candidates so far as racists or backers of the insurrection attempt, it also signals to voters that the GOP has become shackled to an extremist wing of the party. IMO the GOP are grossly overestimating the appetite for that flavour of politics, or the public's tolerance for MAGA cultists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's truly weird. In any European country, they'd be the far right lunatics nobody wants to touch but in the USA they're a dominant political force.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There's some living memory in much of Europe of what living under a extreemist dictatorship looks like. I'd to think that that fallout from the subsquent generations has fostered a greater appriciation for liberal democracy. But for the Americans, their last brush with facism was over 150 years ago, and came in the guise of the technically democratic Confederate States of America. I fear that more than enough time has passed for some Americans to dangerously assume that facisim could never raise it's head in the "Land of the Free".

    So their guard is down, and the notion of comparing MAGA with Nazism is rubbished by its defenders. But the comparisons are there, and the insidious thing about facisim is that it often markets itself well and provides hope to other hopeless people that they can become part of a bigger whole that will embrace them & reward them at the potential expense of people they don't approve of.

    Before Trump managed to rebrand all of this as "MAGA", the mindset of GOP extreemists was just that: "extreemism". But now, post Trump, this is a "movement", a political force...a "cause". They will fight the Woke, they will defend Jesus, and they will safeguard the rights of "traditional legacy Americans" (or white, straight, probably Evangical Christian rural Americans) against the "Globalist Caballs!" (Read: Jewish people) and their insidious plans to replace white people with non-white people...for reasons(?).

    These people already existed, it's just that this Orange rapist lummox gave them a symbol to organise around, and now thanks to this the GOP probably can't even decide on a shared lunch order together due to Gaetz complaining that the cafe wasn't "American enough" or some similar nonsense.

    I do hope that moderate independant voters are observing all of this and remembering it for when they cast their vote.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,154 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    in the guise of the technically democratic Confederate States of America

    The word technically is doing a lot of work there. at least when the likes of Putin have an election there is some opposition standing against them.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It is not any kind of coincidence that the places where the far-right types have gained a foot-hold are those with FPTP electoral systems.

    The situation is compounded in the US where the State level control over re-districting etc. leads to ridiculous levels of gerrymandering further entrenching the minority rule that we are seeing.

    The one thing that the far-right seem to do better than everybody else is coalesce around a candidate which in FPTP is critical to success.

    That and the fact that every single public administration role in the US seems to be an elected position unlike everywhere else where these roles are all civil service positions.

    Running FPTP elections for every mickey-mouse position leads to extremists getting elected and causing a legislative shift to the right when the actual people on the ground simply do not align with those views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    ETTD.

    Amusing that Scalise has bailed and now Jordan's back on the radar, after having endorsed Scalise. And rumors of a '90 day temporary Speaker' so they can work this out. Constitution, anyone?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There will be at least as many that won't vote for Jordan.

    They are utterly broken as a "party" - They are just a random collection of fringe groups that hate each other now.

    There isn't a single candidate out there capable of getting even 75% of the GOP House to vote for them.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,868 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Apparently some won't now vote for Jordan, as they believed his concession speech when he lost was disgraceful lol

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    bahahaha

    “Yesterday in conference, he gave the most disgraceful, ungracious — I can’t call it a concession speech — of all time," Rep. Ann Wagner (R-MO) told Politico. "There were gasps in the room.”

    Wagner, who supported Scalise, said she would "absolutely not" flip her support to Jordan.

    The concession speech wasn't the only reason Wagner said she couldn't get behind the House Judiciary Committee chairman's bid to win the gavel.

    Wagner said she was briefed on a private meeting between Scalise and Jordan, one she didn't attend, that included Jordan trying to strong-arm Scalise into backing him if he failed to win after one round of votes.

    "You get one ballot," Jordan said, according to the briefing Wagner received. "And when you go down, you will nominate me."

    Russell Dye, Jordan's spokesman, has denied the conversation happened the way Wagner and others have repeated it, saying the interaction was "entirely cordial."

    With at least one guaranteed "no" vote, Jordan's future speakership is on the rocks, even before he has told House Republicans he wants to be reconsidered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I was listening to the Strike Force Five podcast and they all had nothing but good things to say about DeNiro (other than the fact they had hard times on their talk shows getting him to give more than 1-word answers to questions, lol) Fallon praised his willingness to go along with this bit for his first night:


    https://strikeforcefive.com/

    12~ hours of content I recommend, some of the laughs here will be incredibly timeless. Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, John Oliver, Seth Meyers, ft. Jon Stewart, David Letterman, a Nicaraguan Dictator's Pants (this is true) and Ryan Reynolds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,578 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    A case has been brought in Colorado to disqualify Trump from standing for election as the next President, based on article 14 of the US constitution. The question before the court is whether he engaged in insurrection. Has it been established that there was an insurrection though? Or will this case have to prove that point before deciding that he engaged in it? Or was his engagement itself the insurrection? Or am I misunderstanding the situation completely?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z9Yl4t8Ero



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,578 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Yes, I realise that, but the question still stands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I think the way it works, is the court will establish whether the events of the 6th met its (the courts) definition of insurrection, whether TFG engaged in it and therefore is ineligible to run for office.


    One can hope the court will; of course, there'll be appeals up to the SCOTUS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I think there's every chance that this could go as far as the Supreme Court. Trump is continually offering "comfort" to people convicted of crimes on January 6th by floating the idea of pardoning them. If that isn't classed as providing comfort to insurrectionists then I don't know what is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,578 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The 14th amendment states 'insurrection or rebellion'.

    On the one hand the dictionary definition or rebellion is 'open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government', but also 'opposition to one in authority or dominance' (Merriam Webster). Britannica says its 'an effort by many people to change the government or leader of a country by the use of protest or violence' Collins Dictionary says 'A rebellion is a violent organized action by a large group of people who are trying to change their country's political system'.

    Merriam Webster's meaning of insurrection is 'the act or an instance of revolting especially violently against civil or political authority or against an established government'.

    Insurrection and rebellion are synonyms of each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Rawr


    They’re saying Rudy is getting some form of income from his past shenanigans, but I’d have to wonder about that. He should certainly be paying damages to these people, but I kind of put Rudy in the same group as Mike Lindell. People who went all in on Trump, hoping it would pay off in the end, and then ended up losing their means of income thanks to nonsense related to Trump.

    Lindell is likely peniless now, and any damages to Dominion / Smartmatic will likely go unpaid since the cash doesn’t exist. I kind of suspect the same with Rudy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,227 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I very much doubt they are penniless.

    These people always have plenty of ways to put money away from lawsuits etc

    You won't be seeing either of them getting a bus down to Walmart any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Lindell can cry into his pillow. Creepy nutbar with his farcical 'technical investigations'.

    And I doubt he'll be on SNAP anytime soon, no doubt money all over the place including overseas.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Both men are also unified by presenting as incredibly unintelligent people. I'm not surprised they've put themselves in penury from falling for Trumps grift; they bought into his empty nonsense and like the groundskeepers Trump regularly shafts, were left penniless. Giuliani and Lindell different in being ostensible morons.

    leaving politics aside Trump was always a chancer who sold ... ... well, nothingburgers. Trump Steaks, Vodka, Media the list goes on. Anyone who fell for it was a mark in waiting. Substandard trash rubes fell for every time. And as always, Let's not lose sight of the fact Donald Trump failed to make money from a Casino - what a business genius. His allure could only have fooled the gullible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Trump didn't care if the casino made money from the deal, his aim was to milk it for all it was worth and then discard the business, just as he does with every business venture:

    Quote from the article: "But even as his companies did poorly, Mr. Trump did well. He put up little of his own money, shifted personal debts to the casinos and collected millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and other payments. The burden of his failures fell on investors and others who had bet on his business acumen."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html#:~:text=But%20even%20as%20his%20companies,bet%20on%20his%20business%20acumen.


    Post edited by Detritus70 on

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Normally I might agree with you, but Lindell in particular seems especially feckless. I feel it’s beyond him to shuffle money about in various Cayman or Swiss banks. He can’t pay his Minnasota-based legal firm (likely retained just because they were local to him) because his pillow business is going under. This is the same pillow business that he fronted as essentially their mascot and spokesperson (he was The MyPillow Guy), and then proceeded to use his personal brand to front an extreem conspiracy theory that discouraged sales. He is so blockheaded that he personally tanked the very brand that enabled him to even have a public voice. If Lindell really has pissed away his entire business and it’s assets, I honestly think that’s all he has. I honestly think he is too single-minded and feckless to plan ahead for an emergency. I feel that he’s pissed it all away on legal fees, Cyber Symposia, and on cosplaying as a news anchor on his own streaming TV channel.

    Unless there’s enough of a speech scene for Lindell to get appearance fees, we might not see much more of them. I don’t sense there will be much of an audience in the MAGA crowd for hearing the story of a has-been who lost it all for believing too hard in their nonsense. He might be able to scream to the rafters about how the Globallist Cabal bankrupted him for trying to spread “The Truth”, but without the support structures he had with MyPillow I don’t know how much staying power he’s going to have.

    I feel that in future, Lindell with become a cautionary tale of what cultish obsession can do to a person if they let it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    In a week that's seen seen some GOP'rs decrie the Biden admin for paying $6bln for Iranian hostages?

    It is IMO important to note that the money wasn't US funds, they paid nothing. The money was Iranian and it was frozen in multiple accounts. The US arranged a deal where Iran can access those funds for humanitarian, medical and other similar uses. 2 things that are important to note in the wake of the GOP screaming that Biden gave $6bln. 1. That none of the Iranian $6bln has been drawn down. 2.Where Iran earned that $6bln. It was money Iran earned via oil sales that were granted waiver by....

    Donald J Trump🤷‍♀️ They really are a clown show of a party




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Trump had another brain fart on a video he released on Truth social


    But remember, Republicans EAT THEIR YOUNG. They really do. Terrible statement, but it’s true. They eat their young


    I wonder how MAGA qAnon will react to this statement after years of only thinking the Democrats did that now their leader as said it out loud for the world to hear.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,868 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It absolutely is like a side of the road snake oil salesman scam!!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement