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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    An independent broadcaster is important for debate and investigation they say.

    Independent radio and TV does a similar or better job than RTE at the moment in fairness, Radio1 is an amateur mess. But I suppose there's a stalwart in RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,533 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    RTE have been reliant on independent media for all their "breaking" investigations. Nothing like the UK channels who actually break stories - think of all the stuff Prime Time has covered - all broken by other newspapers or private individuals then poached by RTE for the story - Tuam babies, greyhound racing, the list goes on - not one story actually broken by RTE which should be part of their remit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,388 ✭✭✭jmcc



    A public service broadcaster rather than an independent broadcaster. There is a difference. The public service broadcaster would concentrate mainly on news, investigation and culture with the commerical part of RTE (light entertainment etc) being spun out into a commerical company. The problem for a lot of RTE employees is that the commercial company would not be funded by the state or licence fee and that would mean job cuts and reduced salaries. They'd have to survive in the real world outside of Montrose.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They have a remit to produce Irish programmes as well as current affairs. A lot of it is an Irish version of a franchise and flogged to death on repeats though,along with bargain basement imported stuff.

    They could certainly be more imaginative with their bought in programmes, particularly on RTE2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I did split RTÉ up completely for you, regardless of how RTÉ is funded the company needs to be split up as suggested.

    I agree I don't believe you need to change how the fund is funded, to be honest An Post should be asked why the cannot collect. Even if we just decided that An Post would collect the fee and you'd have to pay it regardless of what "Telecommunications equipment you own", An Post would still not be able to collect it.

    I don't think they are, I think politicians like to say that they do, there are certain aspects of RTÉ I don't understand (that I outline regularly) ... but Indo broadcasts have largely just done what their license says. Many of the Locals have a semi-monopoly in their areas for advertising, while you have to pay for death notices (one of their so called PSB). An hour of chat, local news bulletins during the day, national centralised bulletins at night (from Newstalk).

    While not necessarily applicable to Radio, VMTV really don't provide any of the commercial part of RTÉ on any regular basis.

    I think we are all getting into the idea that Independent Broadcasting in Ireland is wonderful, when clearly this is not the case.

    I'd argue that Ireland has never really had a great/innovative broadcasting sector. Either Public or Commercial.

    Two areas they need to examine, RTÉ2 and programming outside sport (note RTÉ2 has no News and Current Affairs anymore) and then their spending on aquired programming which sits at 20 to 25m (something the DG didn't know, I met him I said it to him and he poo poo'd the idea, you don't want to poo poo and Idea with me, I know people who poo poo'd poo poo :) )


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,650 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I think the humane thing to do with RTE2 now would be to just put it out of its misery. It's an embarrassment. The only thing it has going for it is live sport and RTE want to move that to RTE1...!

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But they also want their Executives to take a 10% pay cut 😂


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,388 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The way that the incompetent management killed off DAB was extremely stupid because it removed a lot of options as regards radio.

    I don't disagree with breaking up RTE but the problem is that Ireland is a very small market in terms of media and a lot of the problems that RTE faces with radio are the product of the FF gombeenarchy and its destruction of the radio market in the 1980s. Even in the 1980s, small towns were supporting two or three radio stations. If the TV market had also been opened up, it might have been better. Successive governments have basically skewed the media market for the benefit of RTE.

    The weakness of the RTE Player is another problem that has come back to bite RTE. RTE has a major back catalogue of content that could be made available with a well designed player. At this stage, outsourcing it to Youtube might be the only way to get something as well designed as Channel 4's player.

    I like the rebrand ideas but 2FM should be spun out as it is really just a Dublin station and has been for decades. If it really is a "yoof" orientated station, a move online might be a better option. It think that there have been at least two failed political parties called Fis Nua.

    The 2RN rebrand part is good but 2RN (RTE Networks) is critical national infrastructure and the Eircom mistake must not be repeated. Unfortunately, Martin is completely out of her depth in dealing with RTE.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    IMO splitting RTÉ up into the group outlined should help the media landscape (though I believe it to be a bit late).

    I am not suggesting selling off 2RN (RTÉ Networks), I think a national studio is an important infrastructure as the network, that why I would propose that 2RN would be then national public service Radio Broadcaster (save for Lyric and RnaG), national broadcasting network and the national studio of Ireland in Montrose (up to them if they continue to stay their or refocus in another area of the country).

    I rather see 2FM go in a different direction under 2RN than either reduce it to a local broadcaster or close it for the sake of "Well everyone else is doing a better job of it".

    I think it may become to granular if we start selling or closing operations down. I think intially you have to look at the broader picture, and that broader picture is : -

    RTÉ is in disarray and inaction will just continue the kind of service that we are all largely unhappy with. Inaction mean keeping the service as is, the mananagement of RTÉ should not be allowed close down serviced due to their own mismanagement of the national broadcaster. I can seem the coming for those Digital Radio Stations very soon, where is the sense in that? and why should they make that decision?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,388 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Seems a sensible approach. Unfortunately, the RTE management is anything but. And the mininster doesn't seem quite up the to job. The 2RN brand as a public service broadcaster would go a long way towards solving some of the problems.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Response to RoTelly (Quote not working)

    Just on them coming for the Digital services. I fully agree with you, I believe they will - purely for demonstration purposes. IMO they will save very little money in doing so. If that is the case, will they make everyone who is associated with them redundant? Or will they be redeployed to some other part of RTE radio in which they will actually become less productive?



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Not that again!

    Moving all live sports coverage to RTÉ One would mean that Six-One would be knocked out of its slot in the event of extra time in a match. Furthermore, there are sporting events to which RTÉ has the rights and which are on at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Do not be too worried by Strategy 2024, it was dead in the water in 2019. They already were showing they didn't have a handle on things by that point, just before it they'd hope for millions from the sale of Art work.

    3 parts of the strategy couldn't even be completed without government approval, the move of the NSO, the Closure of AERTEL and the closure of their digital Radio stations.

    They are lucky that the legislators acted on 2 of those (NSO and AERTEL), while they are stuck with the Digital Radio Stations, I have no doubt they Minister will now be convince to allow RTÉ close them down. @alzer100 The one thing we have is the Broadcasting Act 2009, so they'd have to ask the Minister and Department to close those stations.

    But all most all the rest of it was wishy-washy shite - The 1st point on their list of things to do is to move Big sporting events to RTÉ ONE, they only thing keeping RTÉ2 alive. Even considering the Scheduling problems for RTÉ ONE can you imagine RTÉ2 RWC coverage with only the non-Irish matches few are watching Toga V Portugal, or how smaller events would fair without the support of the bigger events, and then what do you consider a big event, Irish games the Women's World Cup doesn't end up on RTÉ ONE ... how very sexist of RTÉ!

    And Strategy 2024 is where they stated that the Executives would take a 10%, so I believe it to dead.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,320 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Surely RTE can't expect a bailout without it coming with certain expectations?

    They can't just have the debt wiped clean, and carry on as normal until it needs another bailout in another year or two. They have to start living within their means, and make hard decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    CEO needs to get tough.

    Citibank CEO, planning big layoffs globally, was quoted this week ... "we dont have room for bystanders"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    IIRC Forbes announced the closure of the digital stations and the DAB network back in October/November 2019 effectively putting them into wind down mode but didn't seem to realise that she needed permission from the minister to actually close them. I think Backhurst will do his homework on this and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has or is already seeking that permission. If and when an announcement is made, again I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is an abrupt cessation of RTE's online digital services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,650 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The ignorance of the Irish media is allowing RTE to get away with a tissue of lies in relation to closing Aertel.

    Every single story about it on all media has a picture of the 70s-tech (well, RTE only got around to it in the 80s) World Standard Teletext which for some bizarre reason still exists on Sky. Saying that's obsolete and can no longer be supported etc. is plausible, it's also very slow and limited.

    BUT RTE also want to close the modern teletext they introduced with Saorview, they are not providing any justification for this, making all information disposition dependent on the internet is a mistake.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Why have they digital stations? There's millions of the bloody things.

    If there was one that played exclusively Irish traditional and contemporary music maybe there would be some excuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,650 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The business model of a pirate radio station is very different from a licensed one which has to pay income tax, PRSI, rates, etc.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,650 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We pause Ireland's World Cup match for the Angelus.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    That angelus shite should be scrapped, if we want a minute of reflection we can turn off RTE and all social media, we don’t need this religious shite at a time that the CC agreed on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,533 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Well they "removed" the religious stuff but still..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's an indication of how resistant to change RTE are. The Angelus is almost ironic at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's The Angelus in fairness, it's inherently religious. If they removed the bells maybe and just had folk stopping what they're doing to stare at the sky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,014 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Or maybe just have them staring at their phones informing them of which way to think... Would suit the times we're in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The Angelus is a great distraction why would RTÉ get rid of the Angelus when it cause so many to argue for and against, it completely deflects from the mismanagement of RTÉ.

    I have no issue with it either way.

    @kneemos RE: number of Digital Radio stations, I assume a wider sense of choice. But again I'd argue that RTÉ can well afford many thing why not spend it digital radio.

    RTÉ called for the closure of these stations in their 2024 strategy, and didn't do due diligence on their legal requirements.

    This is the same strategy that temporarily cut executive salaries by 10%, I rather see the executives let go of the car allowances and take a 20% cut in salary to funded the RTÉ Digital Radio stations.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Today is the second Thursday in a row on which there have been no programme-specific introductions by a continuity announcer on RTÉ One - it's just "This is RTÉ One". What is going on there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,650 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You'd nearly expect them to make it two minutes long the next day to make up for it 😋

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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