Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I have condemned the Hamas killings. Have you condemned the slaughter in Gaza?

Nope no whataboutery.

You were the one who jumped in disputing and trying to discredit the claims made wrt to the Hamas atrocities. So lets stick to the points you challenged and were so keen to dispute earlier.

The atrocities extending to claims about mutilated babies.

No ifs no buts no whataboutery.

Do you accept as a fact and condemn without reservation the execution and mutilation of babies by Hamas?

What needs to happen is there needs to be a movement in support of the right of the people of Palestine to not be wiped out from the air which also makes clear that it repudiates Hamas.

The problem with pro-Palestine rallies as they are currently instituted is there is no repudiation of Hamas and the whole thing is basically geared towards support for Hamas and support for any sort of violence.

It needs to be "No to Hamas, No to murdering civilians, Yes to peace and justice for Palestine".

Banning all political protest in support of a people is unacceptable and totalitarian.

You can pick pretty much any point in time over the last week / year / decade / century and count from there, and the objective answer will always be that Israel has killed more children, often orders of magnitude more.

So it's ok to keep murdering as long as enough babies are born to replace those who were slaughtered? That's some pretty messed up morals. Not sure that math will continue to hold true going forward either with the whole civilian population being starved and maternity hospitals being deprived of water or electricity.

I condemn, as I have said before, the killing, injuring or mutilation of any baby, child or adult. Whatever their race, nationality, religion or colour. Regardless of who killed or injured them or by what means. That has been my position here on Boards in every conflict from Northern Ireland to Israel.

Flip flopping.

No. Mine has been a consistent position. I’m not some pseudo wanna be weekend warrior, glorying in war and military conflict.

I just cant understand how the UN are so blind. They dogs in the street would know it would be only a matter of time before conflict raises its head in the middle east. UN needs to be held accountable for there lack of insight and preparation to help civilians on both sides if needed with the Red Cross.

Even if they had to give Egypt billions to set up temporary camps to house women and children. It beggars belief.

The same went on with Ukraine only for Poland helping them greatly.

Not really. If bunch of brainwashed religious idiots kicks the hornet nest with bare feet, there will be an answer. And world and you can't really be surprised that Israel does answer hard. I feel sorry that innocent people on both sides getting hurt in that mess. But I don't think Israel actually have any other option. But that's just my opinion. And again I feel sorry for ordinary peeps who do get killed or hurt in the middle of that mess.

But I think you are a bit too worked up and a bit too pushy to push through your agenda here.

Anyways, what are the options to sort all that mess between Palestinians and Israelis?

One state? Living together? No way, I would say.

Two state. No way I would say, because of Hamas. So the mess would keep going on.

Does anyone think Israel will just give up the well developed country and go somewhere else. Well, personally I don't think that will ever happen.

So what's left? Palestinians will have to move somewhere for their own good. Do I know where? No I don't. Would it be fair? Nope. But I don't really see any other option. Those peace talks with Hamas won't work. And I don't think peeps in Gaza will get rid of those cúnts. Some probably support them, some are radicalised as it is, some are afraid.

No point to be digging through the history of who has to own the land or who started it. Because it won't sort a shìt.

Edit: To be honest, this thread looks like the same mess Palestinians and Israelis having. Only text version of it..

The UN have 8 refugee camps in Gaza, some are currently being bombed.

The "exit" to Egypt is being bombed.

The UN have called out Israel and their war crimes multiples of times.

The UN are a toothless talking shop.

So why say nobody is disputing anything, when there has been a concerted effort to dispute anything involving the massive terrorist attack on Israel

Nonsense, pure and simple.

Tell me, do you blame the Jews for the treatment dished out to them by the Nazi's?

Do you blame the Jews for the pograms carried out against them over centuries?

There is a deep deep hatred and anti-Semitism at play here. Much of the Arab world hate Jews and are deeply anti-semitic. To deny this fact is to deny history. I would go further, it is to deny the Holocaust and why it happened and its causes.

The idea that if the Israelis were just nice to Palestinians in Gaza, Hamas would just go away. That if they were nice, they would have peace.

Pure and utter scutter from you.