Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Ah, right, I must have been dreaming when I read of the exploits of Irgun and the Stern gang.

Oh, so if the babies were shot in the head, disembowelled or strangled in front of their parents, it is all ok, because Israel and the US are unable to confirm baby beheadings.

Stop and think for a minute, will you.

you are once again, factually incorrect.

the fact they don't use their nuclear weapons does not mean they don't want to elliminate the people of gaza.

nuclear bombs would contaminate the land meaning it would be unusable, israel want to use the land to settle it, but want the palestinians cleansed.

nuclear bombs would also mean radiation travels potentially across the world, which would not be tolerated.

israel can ethnically cleanse and genocide without using nuclear weapons, and are doing it in a way that they can effectively get away with it.

Still at the victim blaming, I see. So many young women wear very revealing clothing, so what? They are asking for it? They bring it on themselves?

The Arab culture is one that victimises women. They attack women, no matter what they wear. They make women cover up from head to toe, they brutalise them, they don't let them live safe free lives. You seem to have sympathy for that culture.

Imagine been relieved your eight year old daughter is dead so she wouldn't be taken by Hamas.

They really are the lowest of the low.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2023/1012/1410489-israel-gaza-tom-hand/

And tell me have you "personally seen" videos or accounts of the horrors that Israel has inflicted on Palestine and Palestinians over the years. The atrocities carried out by hamas last weekend would simply not have happened had Israel not imprisoned and impoverished Palestine over many decades, do you at least comprehend that?

Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Israel is supposed to be a civilised state.

It's no wonder Israel is so morally corrupt if this is the standard of people that leads them.

But a lot of people would argue the Irish state came into being through terrorism. The party currently leading the polls in this state came into being through terrorism, and the central defining feature of them is to retrospectively justify the Provo campaign of terror. I don't vote for Sinn Fein and wouldn't encourage people to vote for them, but I do welcome the fact they've chosen the political process rather than terrorism and they have to be considered a legitimate part of that.

States tend to come into being in very murky ways. Lands have changed hands in the most awful of ways. Examining how the borders of Europe have changed over the decades will tell you that.

Part of what is now Poland used to be Germany. Part of what is now Ukraine used to be Poland. Part of what is now Turkey used to be Greece. Part of what used to be Germany is now Russia. Part of what used to be Finland is now Russia.

I've often thought that maybe the only workable answer to this whole problem is a sort of two state federation somewhat along the lines of Bosnia, but where Israel's economic power is shared with its neighbour along with some sort of Marshall plan for the Palestinian territories. But even that seems hopelessly naive now.

This will end with total victory for one side or the other, and that total victory will amount to a grotesque episode for humanity and a total humiliation for the other side, the ramifications of which will last for centuries. The side that will be victorious is clearly Israel and the side that will be humiliated and essentially destroyed is Palestine.