Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Unfortunately more than likely.

Keep going your only one step away from the other guy who said it was actually the Israelis who did the killing.

Them Jews always bring it on themselves.

Hezbollah invading northern Israel apparently.

Palestinian struggle ended Saturday now its a case of Iran v the other powers there and the west region is a power keg

The one that the Israelis are bombing? That one Blanch?

The last election was 17 years ago but you claim they still have significant support.

Why the distinction between the IRA and "the Irish"? IRA are Irish, and are supported by a certain percentage of the population, including those living abroad who could speak out, but don't.

Taken from 1985.

We didn’t elect the IRA as our government.

Did you? Again the language is vague. You speak of the "barbaric Hamas attack" but that is not necessarily the same thing. What is meant by it?

In your posts you never accepted the executions of children, and unarmed civilians, the murders, the rapes as an act that occurred. You continually questioned the basis for the claims and when provided with eye witness testimony via a reputable media outlet of the rapes continued to engage in "just asking questions." You always speak of condemning it but without acceptance of it as a fact.

I said nothing incorrect. I originated no claim. I refuted false claims made about the Israeli defence ministers statements with reference to media articles. I cited the Huffington Post article from 2 days ago and reposted its contents here to refute a false claim.

So to take things back to Current Events, things seem to be kicking off in Northern Israel.

A massive bombardment is underway from Hezbollah using drones and rockets. There are reports that some are invading Israel on paragliders.

Also, in the past hour, the gruesome story about the children who were beheaded has been confirmed by the PM's office as well as first responders who were at the scene.

Another US carrier group is on the way to the Eastern Med.

The whole region is on the verge of blowing up.

There has been a lot of nonsense spouted about war crimes.

There is one thing for certain - the indiscriminate murder of babies and children by Hamas when there was no military objective - is most definitely a war crime, one of the worst war crimes.

He's certainly treating all the Palestinians in Gaza like animals. I judge people by what they do.

What were his precise words?

As far as I can see Yoav Gallant announced a complete siege of Gaza. "There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, no water, everything is closed."

https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1711371211857334439

Then he immediately followed these words by saying "We are fighting human animals". That he said these words immediately after announcing a siege which affects the whole population - a collective punishment - leaves the listener to assume he meant the whole population when he said "human animals".

He didn't make clear precisely who the term "human animals" referred to and who it didn't refer to. To me this seems like a rhetorical trick so that plausible deniability can be claimed - that the term "human animals" doesn't refer to the general population of Gaza, when in reality it's a dog whistle which does indeed infer that the general population of Gaza are "human animals".

If you're going to use the term "human animals", every single time you say it, you had better make crystal clear you're NOT referring to civilians. He did not do so and everything else about his words infers he did mean the whole population.

That's genocidal language and it's meant to be.

Nikki Haley also used rhetorical sleight of hand when she said "Finish them." She didn't make precisely clear who "them" referred to. Again a dog whistle that leaves room for plausible deniability she didn't mean the whole population of Gaza when it's bleedin' obvious the whole population is exactly what she means.

That's genocidal language too.

https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1710853377502982174

ultimately no .

israel want all of that land and possibly more.

nothing the palestinians would do would change that and israel will continue to do what it does regardless, because america back them no matter what.

as it was israel who started the whole conflict in the first place, it is actually on them to conceed, seeing as the palestinians doing so would make no difference anyway.