Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Predictable. Another glib response. Anything to avoid engaging with and condemning as an act the brutal slaughter of Israeli civilians including children and babies.

What do you want Hamas to have brought along a BBC journalist to have filmed it?

An Israeli soldier? She wasn't there as a soldier, she was there attending the festival as a civilian. But of course, you will just now ignore the witnesses because they might served in the military. And the victims can't speak because they are dead or hostages.

The gruesome videos on social media have been taken down. They cannot be shared on this forum. So maybe, you should go and look for them yourself in the dregs of the internet. You seem very concerned about it. Instead of "just asking questions" here you know either cannot be answered or you won't accept the answer.

Every excuse, every tactic deployed to avoid condemning the brutal attacks on Israeli civilians as an act. You won't accept the evidence.

And once again, you posts focus in on trying to discredit the attacks while you ignore what else was said and described in the report about the brutal attacks.

The dashcam footage may be silent, but speaks loudly of horror, a Hamas gunman taking a hostage, another ensuring a victim was dead, the awful aftermath of what had been an all-night party that became a nightmare for thousands, including Raz Cohen.

Perhaps you can read this post also, are they lying?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121222893/#Comment_121222893

Indirectly they have. I've seen several posts insinuating most or almost all of what is claimed about the attacks are false, and refusing to accept as a fact that Hamas did any 'bad things' such as executing unarmed civilians and children. I've seen vague phrasings about oh "X are bad" without acknowledging Hamas actually did X. It amounts to the same thing. I've seen same tactics before.

No-one had out and out said they support Hamas, I’ll give you that.

But what people are doing is trying to downplay what’s happening, make out that’s all lies made up by the IDF and suggest that the Israelis deserve it/ have driven Hamas to it.

By doing these things they are indirectly showing support for Hamas.

Where? Show us.

They were never coming back their brutal deaths will be used as propaganda to inflict maximum pain in the Jews and maximum joy for the Palestinians.

You could look at it the opposite way, though.

That a headline as shocking as that will justify Israeli retaliation in a lot of people’s minds, actions that will have a lot of innocent death in Gaza and that will not ensure that those who committed the atrocities are brought to justice, or ensure another attack cannot happen.

Who said they were?

So go back and read your own posts if you are confused, as it seems an accurate description of the sowing of confusion your posts cause.

This is an interview with a survivor of the attack with PBS News Hour.

Raz Cohen, Survivor of Music Festival Attack:

At 6:00 a.m., we start to hear all the rockets. So, we started to hear the gunshots and a lot of people screaming. We go to hide under the stage, the main stage of the festival.... We go to hide in a bush, a big bush in the creek. And we was in the bush something like six or seven hours. A lot of terrorists go around us and search for people to kill. The terrorists, people from Gaza, raped girls. And after they raped them, they killed them, murdered them with knives, or the opposite, killed — and after they raped, they — they did that.

This link was in my original post so reposting here as it discredits your entire line of posting.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/survivors-of-hamas-assault-on-music-fest-describe-horrors-and-how-they-made-it-out-alive

You could certainly but I think that’s overly cynical way to look at it and a bit of a cop out to be honest.

We have I think been far too conditioned to see this conflict in black and white - Big Bad Israel and Poor Innocent Little Palestine but it’s really not that clear cut.

I have not watched any videos either but as you say the stories alone have tramuatisd me .

Gladly I have not heard any stories of Palestinian children been beheaded, burned alive, kidnapped from their parents and taunted in cages.

You might say having your apartment fall in top of you killing you is no different but I disagree completely.

What those children suffered in their last moments or continue to suffer now imprisoned is not the same in my opinion.

Iv'e honestly no idea how you came to that conclusion. Facts are important. Looking for facts on any given event isn't tacit support for anything or anyone.

Once again the children in cages story in not accurate. That happened in Syria. Facts are important.

Yes the Israelis should really go door to door try to find the Hamas fighters, I'm sure they'd get loads of help from the regular Palestinian people.

Or they should probably do what you want them to do just forget about what happened, they brought it on themselves, leave the middle east and apologies to the Palestinian people for the pain they've caused for the last 70 years.

Would you agree?

Would have made no difference, only difference is you would have had a proper Palestinian state attacking Israel with rockets.

The sooner people realise the Palestinian people and most of the Arab world will never accept a Jewish state in the middle east the sooner you can accept this never ending circle of violence.