General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

doc_17 · 08-10-2023 04:13PM

If anyone hasn’t figured it out yet, had the second yellow been given, would Oliver have been asked out to Abu Dhabi again? No. Will he be asked out again? Yes.

K-9 · 08-10-2023 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209899#Comment_121209899

ok then.

Never be an obvious goal scoring opportunity ever going by that reading of the game.

machiavellianme · 08-10-2023 04:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209929#Comment_121209929

In what world (other than your biased one) is it not as bad as Jones?

One is a player has the ball under his foot and the other player kicks it from under him bringing that foot down on his own moving foot, it's bad, but completely accidental.

The other is a player sliding from behind, nowhere near the ball and raking a players standing ankle with his studs. It didn't look as accidental, especially since he pulled a similar intentional effort a few minutes later.

McDermotX · 08-10-2023 04:17PM

Never mind the comparisons with Jones' tackle last week..........remember what Jota got two yellows for.

These officials are not fit for purpose.

joeguevara · 08-10-2023 04:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209986#Comment_121209986

if a player is in a central position with just the goalie to beat and were pulled down then that’s an obvious goal scoring position.

if they weren’t in possession of the ball and the defender wasn’t moving towards goal but fouled them, then it’s not an obvious goal scoring opportunity.

joeguevara · 08-10-2023 04:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209996#Comment_121209996

I said it was a red. Jones one had more impact on the leg. But both deserved a red. What more do you want?

K-9 · 08-10-2023 04:21PM

I'm not biting on that one joe, seemed pretty clear to me.

Bluebb993 · 08-10-2023 04:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209997#Comment_121209997

Wolves player last week was worse then jotas too and he didnt see red.

doc_17 · 08-10-2023 04:21PM

Well, they are fit for a certain purpose…

joeguevara · 08-10-2023 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121210013#Comment_121210013

You are probably right. It’s a head fcuck all these different interpretations by refs.

but I think we can all agree kovacic should be off after the second.

08-10-2023 04:24PM

City will win this now.

SlickRic · 08-10-2023 04:29PM

Does anyone need further proof that refs are making it up as they go along?

So many of the decisions they make are blatantly down to how they FEEL like interpretating a situation. That second Kovacic tackle is a carbon copy of Jota's second yellow. If referees are trained, which I assume they are, to recognise objectively what a booking is, that should've been an automatic yellow.

It's utterly comical.

DAngelo Bailey · 08-10-2023 04:29PM

How has Kovacic not been sent off there?

CSF · 08-10-2023 04:30PM

Don’t actually believe Oliver is being bribed by the City hierarchy here, but there’s no scenario where the Prem refs should be allowed do these paid nixers regardless. As if this conversation was ever not going to be created before long.

Necro · 08-10-2023 04:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209946#Comment_121209946

It's so blatant at this point it's actually ridiculous. They get all the breaks, all the time.

NITRO95 · 08-10-2023 04:34PM

Why is everything being compared to Liverpool and what happens to them? Are there not 18 other teams in the League also effected by these so called bought off refs?

CSF · 08-10-2023 04:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121210075#Comment_121210075

It’s honestly the most tedious thing in the world.

08-10-2023 04:36PM

I genuinely can't remember a team being consistently refereed to a completely different, more lenient standard, than Man City over the past few years. It is no wonder that people regularly wonder about these refs being bought off at this stage, because when you watch so many games over the years, nothing else makes logical sense regards how refs deal with Man City players during games.

I'm not one to call every collision, foul, sliding tackle etc a yellow or red card, but the first Kovacic tackle meets every criteria for a red card. What are they actually looking at sat in the VAR box? Then to actually not give the second yellow for his foul on Rice is astonishing. Michael Oliver will know from the simple fact that VAR checked the red card foul for so long that it was very close to a red in the VAR opinion, so to the not give the second yellow for a late sliding tackle minutes later is comically bad. These referees are actually making up the rules game by game and week by week in the PL.

If Kovacic was in Chelsea blue today playing at Arsenal, I've no doubt he would have a red for the first tackle and a yellow for the second tackle (which he obviously wouldn't have been able to make as he'd already be off the pitch).

machiavellianme · 08-10-2023 04:53PM

Apart from the poor officiating, this has been a poor game from both teams too. No real quality yet. Hopefully it picks up a notch for the final half hour.

Ottoman_1000 · 08-10-2023 04:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209979#Comment_121209979

Sure that's the same for any situation, if a forward is running through one on one with the keeper and a defender hauls him down, he gets a red, but the forward was still not guaranteed a goal, there's a number of things he would have to do first. Look at VVD red against Newcastle, takes out Isak in the tackle and gets a deserving red, but it was not a guaranteed goal for Isak, he still has to get control of the ball and beat Allison. Szoboloski is clearly getting to the ball first here, Gross knows exactly what's doing a hauls him down with no effort to play the ball, goalkeeper out of position and only a defender on the line!

Ottoman_1000 · 08-10-2023 04:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209968#Comment_121209968

No surprise, an absolute terrible ref...

DAngelo Bailey · 08-10-2023 04:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121210088#Comment_121210088

You must not have watched how Man Utd were refereed under Fergie they went 7 years without conceding a penalty at home.

joeguevara · 08-10-2023 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121210153#Comment_121210153

But in your example it’s an obvious goal scoring opportunity.

in this instance the forward wasn’t in possession when he was pulled down so he would have had to win possession which wasn’t guaranteed and then even then it wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity.

but I do admit that they are given as reds and each time has a different interpretation.

I only replied to the original post where it was stated that it was a clear red. I was only saying it wasn’t clear.

08-10-2023 05:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121210166#Comment_121210166

Funnily enough I watched United for all of the time they were winning titles under Fergie. In that time I remember numerous United players getting red cards, yellow cards, etc.

Also, did refs give any penalties against United away from home in that 7 year run you mention? You surely know the answer to this as you watched it all so closely.

Man City are playing in 2023, away to Arsenal, with VAR available, and home fans rightly baying for blood regards the Kovacic fouls, yet the ref and VAR never blinked. Man United under Fergie in 1998 or 2008 and some random home record of not conceding a penalty is completely irrelevant tbh.