General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Oh absolutely, it was hilariously bad but even if Liverpool hadn't made such a huge issue of it no doubt it would be looked at by PGMOL to avoid recurrence going forward.

That's the problem though - this is apparently the way all such communication takes place. The actual nature of their conversation is not an outlier or error. Only the outcome is the error. This casual over-confidence of people talking over each other, without any clear protocols for specific descriptive language to be used so everyone knows exactly what is taking place.

Dion Fanning was talking yesterday about how every VAR conversation he's heard the recordings of sounded like a circus going on in the background, and it seems this one is no different. This is just the way they do things, and have continued doing things after each of their previous 14 apologies. I've no doubt that without being forced into public embarrassment, they'd have just carried on, same as they carried on after the rest. (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they actually don't improve that communication process much either - it feels like this over-confident self-important machismo permeates every aspect of English officiating)

is there any point when the ref relays to VAR that the on field decision was offside? cos thats where the **** up happens.

listening again, it seems the VAR operator never told them the on field decision was offside.

VAR operator: Wait, wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside.

why didnt he tell them this before the decision?

It’s honestly pathetic that we have the actual audio to discuss and people would still prefer to angle it as a pop at Liverpool and Liverpool fans.

The audio did show the lack of structure around VAR calls which is the obvious area of improvement - 4 years in and that level of communication is pretty poor. If they could improve the structure of the conversation and the process once a mistake happens it’ll go a long way to resolving the issues.

Haha the sly digs are hilarious. As I said earlier, we’re in a false position. We’ve gotten every break going this year and don’t have the squad depth to cope with injuries in a couple of positions. I expect we’ll finish 4th to 8th and you’ll finish ahead of us.

I’ve also said that Liverpool with 9 men were exceptional on Saturday and most teams would have struggled to break them down. The way they defended their box, the effort that they put in and the way they managed the game was very impressive. They deserved more and were very unfortunate on every level.

We got out of jail and we know it. Absolutely no argument, much less being wound up, there. But continue with the projection.

I genuinely don't see how that can be someone's conclusion... it's human error within a process that clearly isn't fit for purpose. The process of communication is clearly what opened up the room for that human error.

I think top 5 get CL which itself is a worry as that is 25% of the teams in the league, no to european super league but the CL is heading that way with the number of games involved next year.

Spurs definitely have a chance of top 5 but Africa Nations could impact that as a few key performers will be gone.

"You lot"?

There were multiple posters tryna make issue with the referees having been abroad a few days before. The same way the Saudi's only bid for Salah to unsettle Liverpool. Its the amusing bizarre conspiracies that are cooked up that do more harm.

Ok, but most reasonable people expected there was human error involved - and wanted to learn about the fundamental process behind it and if that was a contributing factor in the error. Which it very obviously was. Which is what absolutely baffles me with so many posters saying "yeah, grand, human error, nothing more than that". With a proper (and not embarrassingly amateur) process in place that human error simply never occurs.

There are obvious and large improvements that should take place within how the communication in the VAR office works, meaning it's not "just human error" at fault.

It's always been fascinating to me how people can spin "human error" depending on their own personal stance on a situation, be it football or politics. No less than here where, shock, the whole point of technology being introduced was to ensure incidents like these don't happen?

If this was Luton or Sheffield Utd on the receiving end of an error like this against a team like Liverpool or Man City, people would be absolutely spitting and they know it.

I say this as someone who has been resigned to the error being purely down to careless stupidity and nothing more. There is no conspiracy theory, just catastrophic misuse of the technology. Someone needs to go in order to send a message that it can't happen again.

It was a series of errors. It was incomptence by at least 2 highly trained and experienced officials. Why did both VAR officials not know what the onfield decision was? Why did the Asst VAR remain silent throughout the check? What’s his job there if he just sits there saying nothing?

its not even 2 minutes. just take 20 seconds. it was all so frantic and rushed