General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Because apparently the VAR thought the goal was given, so did a quick check which confirmed Diaz was onside. So he announced check was complete.

if that's the case then the only change required is for them to say "check complete - decision is not offside" rather than just "check complete". Stick that at the end of a comprehensive 80 page report and give it to Klopp.

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" as Napoleon (possibly) said.

The graphic would have shown after the decision is taken. How quickly it is shown i dont know. But if the game had restarted then what would have happened Saturday. Would they have stopped the game to implement the correct decision. Because apparently the ref knew very quickly and they didnt stop it.

But if it just signals that the player is onside to VAR then it would have played out exactly as it did on Saturday. The VAR knew the player was onside.

The AI system is better than the lines but im not sure how much it would have helped Saturday.

It seems a very easy fix for what happened on Saturday. Add the words goal/no goal to the graphic instead of just saying check complete.

you're missing the point that the VAR person said 'check complete', meaning to award the goal. The referee assumed that 'check complete' meant offside stands. The automated technology would still needs a VAR official to relay the information to the referee.

The officials either didn't follow protocol of 'check complete - you may award the goal' and/or the PL need to now update this process to ensure that these words are said for all decisions now to remove the possibility of confusion.

Football fans don't really care about the mechanics of how a wrong call was made. They care about the result and the impact of bad officiating on that result. So, for the vast majority of fans, the only thing that matters is that there was a screw up and it impacted the result. In that respect, the Liverpool call was as bad as the Brentford call. Both fans have a right to feel aggrieved but Brentford aren't making nearly as big a deal out of it.

I was at the game Saturday. By the time I got to the hotel, I was explaining to my son how the mistake seemed to have happened (i.e VAR official called "check complete" and didn't realise what the onfield decision was). It was a farcical situation, it was the wrong call, Liverpool got screwed but the explanation was entirely believable. PGMOL had actually issued their statement before we even left the ground. They did so unusually quickly compared to previous statements. So there wasn't a vacuum. There was an admission immediately that a mistake had been made and the circumstances were explained within a couple of hours. There hasn't really been any new material information coming out "every couple of hours" like to you claim.

Then you have Liverpool's statement. It's bizarre bordering on irresponsible and even the media folks who openly admit that Liverpool should feel hard done by are scratching their heads over it. Passive aggressive threats to the Premier League. Demanding the audio as if you don't believe the explanation. Then you have many, many fans explicitly claiming a conspiracy and many more inferring it. And other fans claiming Liverpool are raising the issue for the good of football as a whole. They are like f**k. It's self interest. Where was the outrage and statement when a failure of the system denied Wolves a cup win at Anfield last season.

It's no skin off my nose if Liverpool feel aggrieved and continue going on about this for another 5 years. I find it funny and it adds weight to a lot of the negative traits that people associate with the club.

Whatever about the call on offside, are we really expected to believe that there aren’t better referees that could be flown out to Abu Dhabi instead of those lads? Really? Why are they doing it? How much are they getting paid? What entertainment is laid on for them?

Why do politicians have to have a register of interests and gifts? It’s to keep the appearance of impropriety out of it. Of all the countries that Abu Dhabi could have got officials from for an all expenses paid trip, they choose the same country where they own a team? And why? Because they’re the best? It’s clear they aren’t….

It would have been useful if the VAR official let the ref know after he made the mistake, they said he realised his mistake 7 seconds after play restarted. That part is particularly worrying that he does not know that after a goal, you kick off from the centre circle!!!!!

They're releasing the audio.

In rugby, it generally feels like the TMO works alongside the ref, either by checking things on the refs instruction or by bringing their attention to things they might have missed. Then the ref makes the ultimate decision after discussion with the TMO and/or assistant refs. Not every decision is flawless, but IMO its a good process.

In the PL I feel like there’s an obsession with making sure the ref is ‘in charge’ and that’s what leads to a lot of these ridiculous decisions. Rather than it being a refereeing team making decisions you end up with a situation where VAR either won’t intervene to ‘protect’ the ref, or a situation where VAR completely overrules the ref. 99% of the time when the ref is called to the monitor you know it’ll be a penalty, card, or whatever.

There’s an underlying problem with the standard of refereeing, but I really think broadcasting the audio between the ref and VAR would help to improve the use of VAR. On one side, we get to hear and understand why a decision is made. On the other, the officials have to be entirely transparent and can’t try to protect their mates. It’ll also cut out a lot of the nonsense online about conspiracies and the like.

Great as at least it will clear things up; hopefully it covers the time a few minutes following the restart as once play started the VAR officials knew their mistake - did they say nothing to the poor ref!!

It's mad that Gary Neville could hear it live but it took Liverpool 3 days to hear the audio.

Does anyone know what appeared on the "big screen" after this?

I thought the decision was shown here e.g.

or

to avoid confusion, especially so the fans would know what was going on.