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Is the UK now giving off strong Third World vibes?

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It has a colonial mentality - the north is just another colony to be mined. Most MPs are public school toffs parachuted into a constituency by the toffs at Westminster - and that is as true of new labour as it is of the Tories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Fake?

    It's difficult to verify.

    As Brexit demonstrates Mogg while demanding that Brits use measurements that they do use anyway and making a big thing of trivia, did not lose much time opening up in Dublin post Brexit.

    Listening to Tories and their somewhat loose grasp of facts gives one the impression they are a bit lacking. Few come out badly from their mistakes though. Stupidity outside UK the government is generally seen as a hindrance to a career and personal wealth accumulation.

    Fortunately they have vast quantities of forelock tuggers, who like the MAGA crowd somehow think that putting their "betters" into power will allow them to benefit from the infamous Thatcher/ Reagan "trickle down".

    So regardless of their misery, there are millions of faithful forelock tugging Tory supporters patiently waiting to be trickled on from a great height.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The British need to do a bit of guillotining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    People who have read his history books say they are badly written and incoherent and they don't think he is an intellectual. But because he has the posh plummy accent, his inferiors assume he has a vast intellect.

    As I said with the monarchy, I used to think it wasn't a bad thing, but now I suspect it is contributing somewhat to the huge gap in equality and many millions of Britons living in poverty i.e. they are willingly buying into the idea of 'them and us' and having your betters in society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    And how do you think Corbin would have reacted to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine? Would he have imposed sanctions and supplied arms and training to Ukraine, or would he kissing his arse and making excuses for him like Daly and Wallace?

    and those old technology weapons you talk about? They are probably the only thing keeping Russia from using theirs at the moment. No PM should ever have any doubt about using them, to do so negates the advantage of having them.

    Corbyn would have been an absolute disaster for the UK and the safety of Europe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    ask corbyn himself that question.

    no, other nuclear nations aren't what is preventing putin from firing his weapons, in reality if he is insane enough to fire them, then he will fire them regardless, seeing as anyone willing to fire them in the first place aren't bothered about the consequences.

    it's a myth that nuclear weapons are a deterent, it's just something thrown out by those who are obsessed with WWII to an unhealthy level.

    corbyn would have been fine for the uk and the safety of europe, at worst he would have been above the tories.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭yagan


    I was there during the Corbyn/May election and the impression I got was that he was the passionate factory floor steward making sure everyone would get their fair share of Marietta biscuits, but otherwise he was no threat to the english class system. His politics was shaped too much by class struggle for him to ever rise above it.

    Honestly I do not see any challenge to the gross inequities in english society because many of the poorest still think they are wealthy, despite all the evident decay.

    In Ireland our elected reps are a fair reflection of our society, but in England with the safe seat voting system, the much lower rate of representation, and the costly barriers to university the gulf between the ruling class and everyone else widens more every day.

    Maybe England will have its "let them eat cake" moment, but there's been plenty of them already like partygate.

    Maybe it takes tla few years of no change under labour for frustration to morph into action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    How is it a myth, has there been a nuclear war that is somehow being kept from us? Surely we would have noticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Your words are of the type that grace the Mail Daily in the UK.

    What do you base Corbyns action on?

    Politics is the very reason why weapons are not the first resort. Anyway it is no more withing Corbyns power to act unilaterally than it was Blairs when he was called upon to steal Iraqs oil.

    Suez set the path for Britains future and basically as far as nukes go, they are a bit like the leg of a starfish when it comes to fighting. A proxy for the US well away from the "organ grinder!



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We will never know how good Corbyn would have been as a PM since so many outright lies were thrown against him that most people will never know the reality. The establishment closed ranks against the only real socialist the country has seen since the days of Bevin, and that includes his own party who chose to throw away the election to keep him out of power.

    A very sad day and what's sader is most people bought wholeheartedly into the **** wall of lies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,041 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Michael Foot and Tony Benn were real socialists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    it's a myth because anyone willing to fire a nuke isn't bothered about the consequences, because as far as they are concerned, the firing of it and the damage it does is more important then the damage done back.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Churchill represented Manchester, Oldham, Dundee and a constituency in Essex, who knew he was proud Scot? Londoner Peter Mandelson was given a safe seat in Hartlepool. Thatcher from Lincolnshire hunted around for years until she found a seat she could win. Parachuting candidates exists today.

    If you were a Fianna Fail election failure like Lisa Chambers in Mayo and saw a "safe seat" in Cork when Micheal Martin retires the Corkonians would run her out as a blow-in or carpet bagger! Here you have probably their most high profile senator and a seat she should win but the voters would not stand for it

    But in the UK the voter seems not to care about the individual, only the colour of the rosette on their chest. If a politican is deemed important enough they will be give a "safe seat" and the local rep will encouraged/ordered to stand aside.

    The Brits have themselves to blame. If they consider their MPs are useless why do they accept candidates who arrive a month or two before an election and do not care about them at all. They only care about the colour of your rosette. Their cries about Westminister are their own fault



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    If there should be any doubt about how that bit of lunacy goes, One has only to look at the number of times during the Brexit referendum the "Brexit will hurt the EU more than it hurts us" position was used to fire up the IQ zero's.


    We all make mistakes. Just hope the "great" British public never get consulted as to whether to launch a nuke though :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    amyone who votes FF in Cork, would still vote FF, just not for that particular candidate. They would then give their second preference to an independent, or a green, anyone but SF or FG.

    then, of course, in Kerry it’s the surname that counts, not the calibre of the candidate, be that for TD or council elections.

    the two systems are so different it is impossible to compare the two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    you really think Russia wouldn’t have nuked the US by now (or vice versa ) if they thought they wouldn’t get muked themselves?

    you really do live in cloud cuckoo land



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭yagan


    Carlow Kilkenny was interesting in that a Fianna Failer topped the first count, but failed to win a seat as all ff transfers traded between the other two ffers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    ultimately no, because even without nukes the US would have defeated them anyway and the soviet union would only have ever been able to put together so many.

    now days, cyber is more effective and a hell of a lot cheaper.

    nuclear weapons are effectively another form of short peanus syndrome in 2023.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The fact that the US hard right have blocked funding for Ukraine is all the evidence you need that cyber is the new battlefield - heck they had a president in their pocket without firing a single bullet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    So you think that if Russia dropped nukes on New York, Washington, LA and a dozen other targets such as naval ports, air bases and army establishments, the US would have been in a position to still invade Russia?

    Yes, cyber warfare is becoming more and more effective, but nuclear is still the ultimate threat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It's mad how they built the channel tunnel and exited Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    exactly, and you know what? you have reminded me that there doesn't even need to be a cyber attack launched to cause huge damage.

    damage can be done by spreading misinformation and the far right will do the rest.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    Agree with you but you can say the same about Ireland, very much an I'm alright Jack' attitude. Really does add to the similarities across both countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    not any more.

    cyber is the ultimate threat now, nuclear weapons are just the early diesel trains of weaponry and warfare.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    Rubbish. You've probably haven't met many MPs. Suits your argument to frame everything down to a 'colonial' mentality.

    This site is full of people who've never been in the UK, but my god, left wing academics have certainly done a good job with some of you.

    For the record, I would have had professional relationships with around 40 MPs.

    I tell my UK friends to keep reading some of this stuff. Then again, if it makes you feel happier and superior, carry on. Just don't expect to be taken seriously outside of you little bubble.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I am English by Birth and lived there most of my life so are you willing to reconsider you statement ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,041 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Cyber deterrence is working now, in the same way as Mutually Assured Destruction works. The West could turn Moscow back to the stone age using Cyber, but they won't do it, because there would be tens of millions of refugees coming out of Russia into the West. WW1 trench warfare is still the game in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I'm the same I grew up there and there's so much that was right

    Now it's like a place that will eat itself

    Left v Right



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,322 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I disagree. I can't see people in a country like Ireland taking a huge risk like Brexit being fine with only other people facing the consequences.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    If it suited their pockets, the Irish would, but this is not about Brexit specifically. I was making reference to the Irish and UK mentality, very similar 'pull up the drawbridge' mentality across 'the haves' as distinct from 'the have nots' in both countries.



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