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The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Planting bombs is wrong. Thats what bombs do, kill and maim. Not in our name.

    Since 1916. In you head In your head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Interesting articles. So the BBC banned the video under a bad interpretation of a law about using images of NI and the Troubles. Was it still shown on ITV or MTV UK? One of the articles mentions RTE also banned the video. Didn't know that.

    Couldn't see the bit about the director tricking the soldiers into being filmed. I just assumed they were actors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I believe there was a re-edited version for RTE and the BBC with more live footage of the band.

    Not sure which version was used on the other channels.

    I'm not agreeing it should have been banned, just pointing out it was quite controversial at the time.

    This time around less so initially, but plenty since then trying to politicize it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭standardg60


    You are the only person politicising it, and for page after page you were the only person outraged by it, yet you now accuse everyone else of doing those things while you were all along the level headed moral one?

    You've now become the 'neutral' observer, 'just' pointing out that the song was 'controversial' at the time. It wasn't, the video was initially banned for featuring footage of the troubles, absolutely nothing to do with the song itself.

    And bullet points don't make quotes, provide links to the quotes instead please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,069 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Wait a minute, are you now criticising the Sinn Fein twitterheads who first got outraged about nothing???

    Your credibility is in shreds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,069 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You are the only person getting outraged about the song. I am bewildered as to why someone would be outraged. I have repeatedly asked you who could possibly to offended by the song other than child murderers and their supporters, and you have failed repeatedly to provide a coherent answer to that question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    But there was always footage of the troubles on TV back then?

    Movies about the troubles, documentaries, news footage etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    That's why the BBC and rte banned it right, and the record company didn't want to release it, to protect 'child murderers and their supporters'?

    I've no problem with people enjoying it for a singalong, but it's singing 'zombie, zombie' at somebody, of course that can be offensive.

    Did you read the article I shared earlier talking about how controversial it was at the time, or will you not let reason get in the way of your phoney outrage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Most of the outrage mongering I see is from the likes of yourself and of course our fine Tanaiste...

    Trying to turn what a handful of people said on Twitter into a national issue.

    While you think it might benefits you to talk about violence and bombs that ended years ago, it really doesn't.

    Nobody wants the crap coming into matches, with FFG supporters singing their songs, SF theirs etc.

    We're all just fans at games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭standardg60


    No there wasn't, there was pretty much zero coverage of actions by the British army shown on UK tv back then.

    Obviously i'm no SF supporter, but i'm also very aware having witnessed the coverage that people in Britain were deliberately misled as to what was really going on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Fair enough, I wouldn't have seen much UK TV back then.

    In the south there was loads of coverage.

    I can't seem to find any reference to it now, but I do remember part of the controversy around the song at the time being that it could also be interpreted that UK soldiers were acting like 'zombies'

    There are loads of other references online to the song being controversial at the time, even the band Therapy? who were maybe as big then, had a spat with The Cranberries over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    The article you shared didn't say the song was controversial when it was released. It says the BBC wouldn't play the original video due to their strange interpretation of an law around broadcasting images of NI and the Troubles. That doesn't make the song controversial. It doesn't state why RTE banned the video.

    The only people politicising the song and calling controversial now are Shinners and RA heads (and you). People are singing it in the stadium to support the Irish team. The fact it offends some gobshites, is just a bonus because if you are offended by it you are a gobshite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It's the Telegraph article I shared that goes into the controversy at the time.

    I don't know how old you are, but in the climate of the time this was controversial for a host of reasons.

    I'm only trying to get the facts across because what I see a lot of is, 'oh this could never be offensive' as an excuse then to further politicize it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the song could just as easily have been written about the british army murdering children, which they murdered quite the number in northern ireland.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,069 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So funny, I don't know how old you are either, but I doubt very much that you lived through the disgraceful antics of the PIRA in the 1970s and 1980s.

    Have you been able yet to figure out just exactly who might be offended by this song? It is an anti-child murderers song. Is Ian Huntley upset?

    You are telling the world that this song is offensive, but you are the only person that can see the offence. What are the facts that makes this song offensive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,069 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is singing Zombie Zombie at child murderers. You are on that side, you are defending child murderers, what planet are you on that you think that that is a good look? Seriously, have a good look at yourself.

    As for the controversy at the time, that was about the video, not the song. Of all the straws that you are clutching to, to defend your ridiculous view, that one is least likely to save you.

    Your credibility is in shreds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,069 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Maybe it could, but it wasn't. But now that you have acknowledged that it was written about children being murdered, why do you have a problem with it? Do you believe that killing children was ok? Are they the collateral damage of the PIRA? Actually, given what happened in Warrington, are you ok with women, children and families being the direct target of the PIRA?

    Because it looks to me like you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it definitely could, and effectively was written about the british army, as they and their proxies were the biggest child murderers of any conflict they were involved in.

    i have no problem with the song, it is you who has a problem with it as it wasn't sung by the rugby fans to push your political agenda, but as a sing along.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,069 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It was written about Warrington and what your heroes did, so not surprised you struggle to understand it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no it was written about war in general.

    it's contents apply to the british army more then anyone else, as them and their proxies murdered more children in conflicts, and murdered them as a matter of course.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,069 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is so sad to see how many people don't understand and appreciate hoe much the PIRA dragged the reputation of this country and more importantly. its people through the gutter. Until we rise above the atrocities committed by the PIRA, we will always be a society who should be ashamed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it didn't drag any reputations down.

    a few bigots who hated us and still hate us anyway used it as an excuse for their bigotry.

    the same lot are focused more on the people coming across from france in small boats these days but make no mistake, they have a little bit of their nonsense for the irish as well over brexit.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Well, you keep dragging Ireland's reputation through the gutter by not moving on from it. What do you want - Irish people to get down on their knees and beg forgiveness of the world?

    Just watched again the original video that went with it. The most prominent feature of it is British Army personnel, their tanks and their guns. I don't know how anyone can interpret Zoombie to be anything other than an anti-war anthem (with 1.4 bn views on youtube).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭standardg60


    This is hilarious now. In the one post you make up a claim about the song to push your own political agenda, and then make up a reason for others to have a problem with the song so you can accuse everyone else of having a political agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    that's not the case at all, i have made nothing up, simply stated the facts.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    What Telegraph article? Didn't see a link to a Telegraph article.

    If you had read this thread, you can probably guess my age, approximately.



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Mara Quaint Washbowl


    I’ve got it! Thousands of Irish rugby fans in Paris had the biggest mind meld in the history of the human race and suddenly decided to sing in support of partition, hence Tadhg Hickey subsequently losing his sh*t on X/Twitter……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I hope the Irish rugby team give Scotland as big a kicking as the one 'end of the road' and Megaman Boo have been given on this thread. Like their Provo heroes they have nothing to back up their claims.

    And like the other Irish matches in the RWC the Irish fans will sing Zombie loudly and proudly at the end of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I don't have 'Provo heroes' where did you get that from?

    I'm a pacifist fwiw

    Wouldn't be my choice of song given the background, but once no-ones bringing politics into sport, sing what you like!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It's behind a paywall, I tried to share a link from the internet archive but it won't work on boards for some reason.

    Here's some of the text of the article...

    Zombie, it should be pointed out, was not universally loved. In Ireland, it drew criticism both sides of the border. In the Republic the feeling was that O'Riordan was dabbling in "Troubles chic" – cashing in on the stereotype of Ireland as perpetually conflict-wracked in the order to appeal to Americans on whom the nuances of the Northern Ireland situation would be lost. 

    In the North many were stunned at the presumptuousness of musicians from Limerick – universes removed from the sectarian tensions and street violence – presuming to speak on behalf of the warring sides. Andy Cairns of Belfast’s Therapy? felt The Cranberries were naive and said it had caused him to lose all respect for them. 

    “The Cranberries bless ‘em… I didn’t mind The Cranberries at all up until Zombie was released,” he would observe much later. “I mean, what the hell was that all about?!"



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