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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    No assumption was made that they paid full asking price, just like no assumption can be made that they will get full asking price when they go to sell the the car either. So that point is moot.

    They are asking for 1k more. If they bought a car at them prices to turn a profit they are reckless. You are talking about ~3% profit on a risky investment. This, along with the work involved, like traveling the country to buy and then sell a car, is silly. They are relying on no issues raising its head with the car after they buy it. They are ignoring that the vehicle is losing value due to the mileage they are putting on it (3600 km in only 3 weeks), that there is an extra owner on the book, that there is a suspicious switch of ownership after only 3 weeks, and that they let the bumper to bumper warranty run out while they owned it. 29k is a lot to ask for a car when there are similar models advertised for a lot less for weeks at a time (albeit more mileage) on DoneDeal.

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    I suspect @Red Silurian or @kanuseeme suggestion might make more sense. There could be something wrong with the car, or else the car really didn't suit the new owners needs. Maybe because of the large mileage that they do the Rav4 might suit them better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    I had a Zoe for a while and hated it. As another poster said, there was very little acceleration. I haven't owned a Leaf but I would reckon it would be a better purchase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,328 ✭✭✭User1998


    I wouldn’t call it reckless. I do it all the time. I’ve essentially spent €0 on cars and depreciation over the past 5 years, whereas most people around me have spent thousands upon thousands on finance, loans, depreciation, repairs etc.

    Even if the seller only makes €1k and it takes 3 months to sell, they are probably thousands more well off most other people who are paying for depreciation etc.

    I’m not completely discounting the other theories either. Maybe it just doesn’t suit them or maybe there’s something wrong with it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,982 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Re Zoe versus Leaf, wouldn’t touch a Zoe, look at its safety rating

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Sorry.

    I'm hoping our ID4 is trouble free after spending 3 days in Duffys to get the 3.2 update :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This is the 2014 model which had a 5* rating before the tests got stricter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63,284 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    They still can't do OTA updates? I thought that was meant to be sorted years ago?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    In honesty it was the new model of zoe (2021/ 2022 ), that lost them their 5 stars, they skimped on curtain airbags - apparently they put them back , not sure what their current rating is ..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,949 ✭✭✭KCross


    Nah

    One or two updates worked OTA for some people but the failure rate was too high so they stopped pushing them and all cars had to be recalled for manual updates. I think mine went in for 3 major updates at this stage. It must be costing VW a fortune.

    Having said that, once you get it updated, the software is fine. Generally does what its supposed to do, so the need for OTA is not as big a deal now as it was earlier when it had some serious bugs. It is reliable now.

    VW don't really have software development figured out yet. Tesla designed it in from the start.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    After 3.2 they can. But to get 3.1 it’s a dealer visit! Also battery cell recall check carried out.

    It’s a taxi so I don’t see much of it tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63,284 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Good to see there is progress then after all. I really want to see VW succeed in the electrification and come out well commercially. Even though the cabaal of gobshites got rid of Diess

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,949 ✭✭✭KCross


    After 3.2 they can.

    You're being naive @Gumbo ! 😀


    When I got the v1 software they told us that v2 would fix the issues and it would be OTA from there on. v2 was installed manually and they tried an OTA across Europe after that and it didn't go well (worked for some and not others) so they called us in for a v2.3 update I think it was. OTA will work after that they said! Had to go back for a manual v2.4.

    Then v3 became available but that required a dealer visit. On v3.2 now

    New cars off the line are starting to come with v4 I think and for quite a while cars have been getting v3.5 off the line but existing cars are stuck on v3.2. Not a peep of anyone getting an OTA beyond 3.2, that I've seen anyway, and v3.2 is out a long time.


    Basically, dont hold your breath for OTA when you get to v3.2. Just be happy the software is stable for you when it gets there! 😉



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I was trying to be nice to VW 😂

    Ill book a weeks annual leave for next year to get the 4.0 update done 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭staples7


    It's hard to grasp that VW have put put so much money into their EV platform and still cannot get software updates right, years down the line from launch. Something that should have been right prior to car being on sale. Would it be that hard to copy what Tesla are doing, flawless.

    (Thats me going from an ID4 to a Y)



  • Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's the legacy manufacturer mentality: VW were used to get S/W from third party and then underestimated the challenge when the development was moved inhouse. Combine this with all the descrete, various firmware and hardware revision leaf devices bought from 3rd party that the team has to support, add some good German Besserwisserism and overengineering, and this is the outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63,284 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes it is very hard. VW, like almost all other OEMs, outsourced pretty much all materials and software. They basically only made the engines themselves and assembled the cars (to put it simplistically). It is extremely hard for a car giant to change this process radically

    Tesla on the other hand, started from scratch as a tiny company with a totally new concept of making cars, which in itself is remarkable. Using vertical integration and making almost everything in house. With the software being more important than the hardware. They have stuck with that and are now a big player, possibly one of the biggest car makers in the world in just a few years time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    seen on the hellsite this morning.

    Cheapest Ioniq 5 in the UK (big battery model) £25k

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    Cheapest in Ireland? €40k We are being royally screwed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63,284 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That is a great price, it is the high spec "Project 45" initial run of cars too. Unfortunately, unless you can buy it in the UK ex-VAT, it is not viable to bring it into Ireland.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,649 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    It also looks like the UK one is a dealer and the Irish one is private?

    However, what's the difference in those 2 cars when they were new in Ireland and UK?

    Looking at list prices today, not exact science I know, it's £43k in UK and €51k in ROI. I assume they were a bit cheaper in 2021.

    Converting both to euro it's 49k in UK and 51k so not a huge price difference.

    So, removing all variables like discounts, asking v actual prices etc, the UK owner has lost £18k v €11k in ROI. Almost twice.thr amount.

    In this case, the UK buyer has been screwed as they lost more money. One way of looking at it. They might be cheaper to buy but I don't think owning it is cheaper, motoring in the UK isnt any cheaper than here..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,198 ✭✭✭creedp


    And that's without any grant relief in the UK. Does the grant make Irish EVs more affordable for the consumer or increased the profit margin to the supplier under the guise of climate change action. Theres big money to be made in the green industry but at least we're promised its going to be worth it in the long term



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,439 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The grant does nothing but line the pockets of the manufacturers. There has been no reduction in sales since the grant was lowered, and there will be no reduction if its removed entirely. A waste of taxpayers money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,198 ✭✭✭creedp


    Nice potential profit there for a used car dealer which Im sure he'll be more than happy to pass onto the consumer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    It's not viewed as a waste of money though. Grants almost always benefit other people on the value chain - politicians just paint it as being for the little guy. Solar panels and heat pumps another example where almost no savings have been seen for consumers. The point is often the introduction in suppliers and installers and availability of product (and their marketing in turn drives awareness). Prime example I would suggest is VW slowing production. There is still, at least until recently, been higher margins in ICE cars. Skin tight Margins explains why Tesla slashing prices is a huge issue for competitors. The grants going to manufacturers drives R&D and supply

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63,284 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    At least with the PV grants, they are eaten up by Irish installers. They will pay tax on it here in Ireland, spend the rest in Ireland. Nowhere near as bad as the EV grant, which, as @ELM327 rightly says goes straight into the pocket of a foreign car manufacturer, with none of the money coming back into the country.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Firblog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,439 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Whoever Niall is he must have bought a new skoda instead of his S



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict



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    • correction, car reg does correspond on mot and auto trader.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63,284 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Why would you be bothered bringing in a UK car? Almost certainly you can find a better deal here and far less risk. Car reg seems genuine though:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    tbf risk yes, but better deals, at face value, not so sure! i am amazed at dealerships sitting on teslas and not reducing prices. I dont know much about used cars but I didnt expect to see dealers be happy to sit on stock, maybe if stock is low they suck it up, but seems madness for cash flow. Some cars are up for months now. That M3 has the better alloys too, there is none under 30, bar that one.

    FWIW, based on enquiry car has had damaged repaired. Rear apparently. I am not sure every dealer would have revealed that - so some credit there, but a pass for me, due to no ability to know extent/impact.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭sk8board


    UK EV’s see higher depreciation as so many of them are on lease - the general perception being “lease EVs, don’t own them”.

    here in Ireland, with the exception of Taxi’s and company cars, we don’t go for private leases.

    listening to UK commentary, the proverbial ar3e has fallen out of the 2nd hand market due to all the expiring leases hitting the market.



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