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Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Tbh no one seems to know what it was about, i seen one woman speaking to the crowd talking about how she couldnt afford a home despite working full time so maybe the housing crisis? it seems very aimless tho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death


    No. It's because people are more accepting of bad behaviour when it is carried out by people who they line up with ideologically.

    And most of the media does have a more left leaning bias.

    There's absolutely nothing conspiratorial about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Just for reference...when he says "Gallows" and "murdering politicians" this is what his talking about...🤣 Its being ever so slightly overdramatized.

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    Going by the build quality alone I don't think auld Leo and co have much to worry about lmao

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭Tork


    Why do you think they were looking for anything? Or indeed, that they have a plan. They don't! That was not the point of Wednesday, though this poster was shared at the time. They're a bunch of fascists who mostly roll from one hot topic to the next. If the government kicked out every immigrant and housed everybody here they'd still find causes to wreak havoc. That's what they do.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    The Pegida protest too, where the opposing side got very violent, and the violence was cheered on by several of the supposedly outraged posters on this thread.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Never ceases to amaze me how much a "call to freedom" always means taking freedom away from someone else...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Says a lot that you laugh at violent fascistic calls for murdering politicians.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Your first statement is very true.

    Your second one kind of reflects the first: people onlt see the media as leaning one way or ther other when it doesn't line up wtih their ideaology.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    if you can make your point without dramatic props, you will. If you can't, you'll bring dramatic props.

    (In a sense, I agree with you - but on the other hand, that mob is most certainly capable of turning violent)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death


    I'm not so sure. I am absolutely not saying there is no right leaning media, but I would have safely said that the majority of the "mainstream" media has a left leaning bias (not saying far-left)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Iv'e no idea what these protesters are looking for but it seems to have annoyed our political and media class no end so it's all good in my book.

    Hilarious the outrage over this given the state of the country at present.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I got that - my point is that is it because you're right-leaning yourself and it's skewing your perspective?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,573 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Why if there is so much wrong with the country could they only muster 200 people max?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death


    Perhaps it is.

    I assume that you are left leaning yourself (apologies if incorrect).

    Do you not think that most of the "mainstream" media has a bias?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,537 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Agreed, calling for death for crimes committed and murder are 2 very different things though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Why didnt they "murder" Healy Rae then when they had him out on the street?... I think you and those protesting have something in common.. being over dramatic.

    I dont think there was ever any genuine intent to murder anyone just a bunch of gobshites with a dramatic prob of a time when the ruling elite were ousted by the public and beheaded.

    if i had to guess it was to symbolize the end of there time in power. Not to actually murder everyone as you seem to think it is.

    I know... i know alot less dramatic unfortunately but also alot more plausible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    The rest probably couldn't afford to take the day off work due to the cost of living.

    An ingenious idea by the Gov to suppress any unrest!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Which media specifically do you regard as having a left wing bias?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Actually could both events be different aspects of the same problem emerging?

    Lack of enforcing the law, and a poorly functioning justice system, full to bursting prisons etc.

    Most of those "protestors" should have been carted off in some paddy wagons IMO, but I suppose there may not have been enough Gards available to shut them down like that safely (effectively using force, with risk of much greater violence erupting) and creaking/stressed justice system might have had a cunnuption dealing with a mass arrest of 50-100 of these "protestors"...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death


    I would say RTE are left leaning.

    The majority of national newspapers too.

    I am open to being wrong, as PCB said, I might be skewed in my view due to my own beliefs.

    I am undoubtably and unashamedly right leaning, so I know that I am looking at things through my own lens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    This is genuinely the first iv'e heard about that incident. That's absolutely horrible to read.

    Just looked into it a bit further. I now see why the story wasn't front and centre.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hosting a noose and gallows is about calling for murder. Not sure why are you trying to pretend its funny and excusable.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    hmm, perhaps in some ways, in others not.

    The IT, Independent, Virgin Media and RTÉ all have backing from car companies and they routinely take a right wing stance when it comes to personal car ownership and are almost always providing a strong anti-public transport/cycling narrative at all times.

    There's also strong anti-union sentiment in the media, strong support for property-porn and real estate bubbles, again right wing. Virgin media posts a lot about lgbtq pride but that's now a corporate event and therefore right wing.

    In fact I'm struggling to see what the media aren't right-wing on. You could say they all left leaning in the sense that they support high rates of immigration, but is that 'left wing' any more? It's supported by the wealthiest part of our society and the beneficiaries of large scale migration are a small set of well connected families, many with otherwise struggling businesses, who are paid by the state to house and feed undocumented migrants. As part of these cozy arrangements, the state has even bypassed it's own planning laws in the rush to enrich a select few. The people who suffer are the working class who's communities are ghettoised and who's homes are devalued by the practice, sounds pretty right wing to me tbf when you look at who benefits and who looses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Imagine if our lot in the Dail had to spend a week governing France! They’d know what protesting is really all about then. The hand-wringing and hysterical nonsense about this on media over the last few days is nothing short of astounding. Ireland, the country where you free to protest, but be nice, and only protest issues we want you to!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Well, the joke answer is because the rest are all working in high-paying jobs and don't have time :) - but having a protest on a Wed lunchtime wasn't a wise idea.

    There is a point though - the reason there isn't representaion in the Dial for this lot is either becuase they aren't bright enough to form an party, contest elections and take their issues where it matters, or they simply don't have the numbers.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There is a lot of anger out there, not to the extent that you claim.

    However, it is anger that is misplaced, misinformed and misdirected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Depends on the issue. I'd be left-leaning on most social issues (live and let live - who am I to say they can't?), but more center-right on economic.

    I;d say the mass media is pretty centrist, maybe slightly left - with the except of the tabloids which are most certainly center-moderate right-leaning.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death


    Good point.

    I really never considered myself "on the right".

    But me thinking that 1) gender is irrelevant, biology is important 2) Illegal immigration is illegal and shouldn't be tolerated makes a certain cohort of people call me a nazi, a bigot and a far-right Trump supporter.

    I'd say the culture wars have obscured peoples view on what is right and left wing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭yagan


    In the Ireland of the past most delusional/conspiracy protestors would have been committed into psychiatric hospitals. That's part of the problem with current underfunded mental health services, the system was so abused in the past as a dumping ground that no one seeking election want's to be associated with that past, so the service remains underfunded.



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