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2023 RWC Buildup, Squads, Fixtures 'etc'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,245 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    The real issue is ensuring that tier 2 teams get decent exposure to tier one opposition between world cups. If Fiji had tests against top team every year they would reach the semis, same goes for some of the other teams.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The tournament is much the same as always. You have turkey shoots and the big games with evenly matched teams like Fra v NZ and Wales v Fiji.

    The quarter finals are where it gets going. And previously one or two of them are usually lop sided. For example NZ v Scotland 1999.

    Pretty much the same as previous WCs in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭Shank Williams


    Yeah your right I here that they’ve sold out of kids national team rugby replica jerseys in Romania ,namibia and chile as kids have been so inspired by watching their countrymen get steamrollered.

    growing a game takes time - look at Italy in 6 nations- getting kerb stomped every 4 years by vastly superior teams isn’t as big a piece of the growth puzzle as you seem to think it is



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    And ive quite consistently said on this site world rugby need to do more outside of world cups for Namibia, Uruguay etc but removing them from the world cups wouldnt help them. they get few enough games as it is against top sides.

    the way to help them is to get them playing more in tournaments every year and playing top sides regularly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,245 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Its a world cup, every team has the opportunity to compete for it.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rugby/Soccer comparisons don't fit.

    Parking 11 behind the ball can keep a weak team in a game for a while. Weak rugby teams can't stop the tries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That does need to be done but the unions won't go for it. The IRFU won't give up an autumn international against NZ to play Samoa instead. Its all about the money.

    Unless world rugby step in and mandate that every Tier1 nation must play a Tier2 nation in summer and autumn tours, then forget about it, and we will continue with nonsense group stages of world cups forever more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,412 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    No way we'd go out to half arse a game (vs Scotland) to try face a weakened French team if Dupout is out

    Nature of the tournament sadly, risks have to be taken



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  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That slap to Dupont's face had serious force. He's one hardy fella if he's playing in a QF.

    I broke my jaw after being hit by an elbow in hurling, pre helmets compulsory. Now all force came on the end of your man's elbow, so possibly could cause more damage. I don't envy him, the liquid diet and wired jaw is hard enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    A proper tournament 2 years out from the WC, Euros style, would be massively beneficial. A better level of profit sharing ought to be brought in. It's one area where WR could take lessons from the NFL in terms of negotiating money from broadcasting deals.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,404 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    We do play a Samoa/Fiji/Japan each year. Two big games and one small one. We don't however play the likes of Uruguay or Namibia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    No they aren't like Ireland in soccer. The steps in Soccer from number 1 down all the way to number 200 is an equal step down the ladder.

    In rugby each step from 1-13/14 are fairly equal (although the steps get bigger outside the top 10)where there is at least some sort of competitiveness and then there is a gigantic gap to the teams below this level.Namibia are not even fully professional it's a complete joke having teams of that level in a world cup the group stages in the RWC are a complete waste of time.Soccer is popular in pretty much every country in the world Rugby isn't , almost nobody takes it seriously out of the top 12 or 13 countries.

    Namibia playing in a rugby world cup is like Lichtenstein playing in a soccer world cup.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I mean as in Ireland are mid table, maybe generous, in soccer. Namibia are 21 out of 109 ranked in rugby.

    To have a rugby WC you need weaker teams to make pools. If not it's just a 3 week tournament, knock out, with the top 8 teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,412 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    There's hardly 'Jackie's Army' type stuff happening down in Windhoek



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    But being 21 out of 109 in Rugby is not the same as being 40 out of 207 teams in the FIFA rankings in soccer.

    Most countries take soccer seriously almost none of the countries in the rugby rankings take the sport seriously, they just happen to field a team but it's not a big sport, whereas even for the worst soccer teams it can still be one of the biggest sports in their country.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But to have a RWC you need canon fodder. Otherwise it's as I suggested in my last post.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There hasn't been Jackie's army type stuff here for a while either!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭doyle55


    Exactly there is no comparison between rugby and soccer.

    Football is a low-scoring game where much lower-rank sides can quite frequently hold out for draws, or narrow defeats and the occasional win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    That might be that for Dupont.

    “MARSEILLE, France, Sept 21 (Reuters) - France were sweating on the condition of captain Antoine Dupont after the mercurial scrumhalf suffered a suspected jaw fracture during the hosts' record 96-0 victory against Namibia at the Rugby World Cup on Thursday.

    "There is a suspicion of a crack or fracture of the maxillary bone," head coach Fabien Galthie said.”

    https://www.reuters.com/sports/france-waiting-anxiously-duponts-condition-after-suspected-jaw-fracture-2023-09-21/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,371 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Reducing the number of teams in the WC isn't the answer to anything IMO.

    Providing so called Tier 2 or 3 nations (or whatever you want to call them) with more top quality games between World Cups is what is needed.

    I remember NZ beating Japan 145 0 in 1995 or something crazy like that. 20 years later they beat SA, and 4 years after that reached a WC QF. So improvements can and will happen over time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,371 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Namibia are miles off, but Uruguay should absolutely be accommodated every November in Europe. Get them 3 tests each November, and a 3 match series in Uruguay between themselves and someone like Italy would be an interesting prospect. If they got those games every year they'd surely improve more. They seem to have made big strides over the last 10 years and seem to be the next team after the South Sea Islands, Japan and Georgia.



  • Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Johan Deysel could become the most famous\infamous Namibian rugby player of all time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    People saying that teams like Namibia or Romania shouldn't be at this RWC were probably saying the same about Japan and Italy when they got 100 plus put on them at previous world cups. Or Tonga when they lost by 80 plus. Its shortsighted.

    As others have said here, give them more games!! Maybe every NH team that heads to Argentina in the summer should have to play Chile and Uruguay as well. Those that go to RSA play Namibia and tours to NZ and Australia include the PIs.

    Same when the SH comes to Europe in Autumn. Games against Portugal, Spain, Georgia and Romania. I know it's all about the money. But NZ and Australia have been doing a little bit in recent years with matches against Japan and USA. What are the 6 Nations sides doing to help?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yes! On there money part, French Pro 14 teams gave up some money to help fund pro D2 and lower leagues. That has resulted over the longer term with more rugby, bigger audiences and more tv money for everyone. It's paid off in France and one big indicator of it is just how many of the best players from the Tier 2 teams play their rugby in the lower leagues in France. Unions need to play a long game, as some have realised. Portugal playing Australia or the All Blacks in Lisbon WILL raise the profile and popularity of the sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,335 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    Reducing the teams in the world cup is basically just killing rugby in those nations, they get very little support as it is and you take away the carrot of the rugby world cup then they are doomed. Its very silly how these sides boil so much piss, yes they are not good but its only a few games every 4 years you have to endure the "torture" of watching these nations mixing it with the big boys, netflix exists ffs.

    Its not a world cup without minnows anyway, it would just be the same teams playing each other and its fun to see new teams come through and see how they play against the stronger nations. They rarely win but even when they are competitive its very memorable, see Uruguay v France.

    I don't see any upside for getting rid of them whether its from their POV or even the spectators as plenty of people do enjoy watching them in the world cup and those that don't can surely find something else to with their time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Anyone have any advice?

    Going to a braai tonight at friends house, his missus is Namibian. How do I keep a straight face?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Dupont operated last night for an eye socket fracture (presumably, no confirmation on the severity). Probably 4 months of no contact sport.

    His World Cup definitely looks over and the Olympics doesn't look great at this point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I agree with this. WR should be mandating the Tier 1 sides play the weaker teams as part of tours. Even if it is only the wider squad players who are used, it will still be exposing the other team to high quality professional players. The costs would be low as the Tier 1 team will have a squad of over 30 players with them. WR could cover some of the cost on the basis that the Tier 1 squad and coaches do some training sessions with local schools/clubs to promote the game.

    The Tbilisi Cup was a great tournament, a version of it should be revived but hosting rotating between Georgia/Romania/Spain/Portugal. Having a festival of rugby in their country would be help grow interest in the sport in those countries. Tier 1 nations should be encouraged to send a team every few years at least. Again, WR should be covering some of the cost.



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