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Dispatches channel 4 expose **Read Opening Post before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Under 1% of reported rapes in England and Wales result in a conviction. I'd be quite up front in that having read the Times article and watched the programme on Channel 4 last night I have no doubt Russell Brand is a serial rapist and it would take something extremely dramatic to change my mind on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    For the life of me I will never understand why Russell Brand was so popular over the years. I could never stand him.

    I'm not surprised at the serious rape and sexual assaults but ultimately it will be up to a court to find him guilty.

    But his overall attitude over the years was simply a sexist bully. A boorish yob who was not only tolerated but celebrated.

    Maybe I'm naive but I think the entertainment world seems to have moved on, hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Brand wouldn’t sue anyway because then his dirty laundry would be out in the public domain.

    He’ll have to face questions about his past and his relationships with these women under oath and under the direction of a judge.

    Not a fat chance in hell he does that, because even though he claims these allegations are false, he absolutely has something to hide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Not a good look for Brand when his agent jumps ship.

    His agent has dropped him today.


    His agent was told of these allegations 3 years ago and they now believe they were horribly mislead by Brand.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭moonage


    I thought the program was sensationalist and shoddily put together.

    How did Channel 4 unearth and contact these alleged victims in the first place? Why hadn't the women gone to the police rather than take part in a TV program? 

    I wonder were the five women paid for their participation and, if so, how much.

    It's strange that this hit piece is coming out now when the popularity of his political views is high, rather than several years ago during the metoo movement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Think I mentioned Matt on this thread previously but it appears to have been deleted........

    The short answer is No........ Matt set up a podcast a few years back, first free, now on patreon. He's been asked about RB a few times by subscribers, as many of Matt's celebrity friends have appeared on his pod, with one glaring omission. The man he is most associated with in the media.

    He has been pretty open about it that they haven't fallen out, but that RB fobbed him off a couple of times about appearing on it and this then became a number of years of radio silence. When last asked about Brand maybe 2/3 months ago, he just tells listeners he hasn't spoken to him in years and it's not going to happen. As the time has gone by, he has been noticeably more dismissive of Brand and I think he believes he is courting the RW and culture wars for pure profit reasons. Well duh, lol

    I myself believed the reason he avoided Matt's pod was that as an old and close confidant who literally ate, slept and shat in the same places as Brand for long spells, Brand was reluctant to have his new wellness guru and mature man of philosophy bubble burst publicly by someone who may not want to play along with the charade. Now it looks like he had many more reasons for avoiding public chats about "the good old days" with someone who knows the real RB very well indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,411 ✭✭✭✭Boggles



    Under 1% of reported rapes in England and Wales result in a conviction

    It's a stark figure which looks even worse without context, 93% of all reported crimes never make it to conviction.

    One of the main reasons rape crimes do not make it to court is that the alleged victim withdraws their cooperation.

    That said the CPS have a 65% conviction rate on rapes that do make to trial.

    I'd be quite up front in that having read the Times article and watched the programme on Channel 4 last night I have no doubt Russell Brand is a serial rapist and it would take something extremely dramatic to change my mind on that.

    Of course you do, because you have only exclusively heard one side of the story which as I understand came with a sinister soundtrack.

    That's what the programme was designed to do. It also helps that Brand is a gigantic díckhead.

    TBH I thought the exact same when the allegations against Mendy / Saha were turned into charges, but following the trial it quickly became apparent that the wrong people were in the dock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Why do you think women who have in fact been the victim of sexual assault might not come forward to the police?

    You really can't think of any reasons?

    Do you think it is possible there are many victims out there of sexual assault who have not gone to the police?

    Do you have the slightest shred of evidence that Channel 4 and The Times would seek to discredit Brand for his political views, bearing in mind the C4 programme portrayed C4 itself in a negative light & if Brand sued and won would be in line for a huge payout in the courts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He's a YouTube contrarian, that doesn't make him remotely politically notable.



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    I'd nearly always believe women who report rape tbh. Imagine putting yourself in the limelight, especially these days with social media. Investigations can uncover lies if there any.

    It's whether there is sufficient criminal evidence for prosecution and subsequent conviction which will be be interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,411 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Do you have to have watched the documentary is it that different to the article?

    Is there more allegations the article left out?

    The "stupidest argument" argument is yours as you have declared you have made up your mind on a story that is a day old.

    Surely he is entitled even in the court of public opinion to mount some sort of defence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He's free to but by the looks of it, he's pushing conspiracy theories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You say its stupid to believe the women. OK. Glad we have that sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Hard to see where this story goes. Brand just seems to have I slept with a lot of women all consensual defence and there is no indication yet that any of the women are going to go to the police.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,411 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jesus. I said no such thing.

    Do you normally have such a negative reaction when your opinion is challenged?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    His "brand" is death in the water, no coming back, I do hope a full criminal investigation is done also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    That's exactly what you were saying, that it was stupid to have made up your mind that you believe the women.

    You said it was stupid to have made up your mind to believe a story that was a day old. But the investigation took four years to produce and it was produced by some of the UK's most respected news gathering organisations.

    It's impossible to assert that it's stupid to believe the story without also being of the view that it's stupid to believe the women.

    These are what your words mean.

    The women have clearly provoked a negative reaction in you.

    Mr. Brand has every right of reply. He's chosen not to take it and instead outsource his "reply" to Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Tommy Robinson, Lozza Fox etc., who have all allege conspiracy against him. His choice. We're more than entitled to infer things from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Re; entitlement to a defense against an accusation

    I asked this in post 90. "could you maybe wait for his defense?"

    The response from Gusser09 in post 104 (thanked by MamOf4) was simply; "no".

    So no, no defense allowed, accusation is guilt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    Funny how the RW celebrity crowd - of the same ilk - are throwing their support in the ring, probably to protect themselves from the same future scandals biting at their heels. A sleazy bunch and as RB has flip-flopped so much over the years anyone with a brain can see he stands for nothing other than his own power, celebrity ego and to remain relevant & hero worshipped.

    Many years ago I used to like him as a simple run-by-the-mouth entertainer, until he wasn’t. What is it with celebrity god-like nutters? They really are of the same ilk, some clearly more dangerous than others. It’s why some are drawn to the celebrity world in the first place, to hide who they are and get away with it.

    Years ago abusers hid in the church - the funny priest, great with kids, speaks up for the community, works the audience.. yeah right!

    Post edited by Mr.Wemmick on

    “The fact that society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof that society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman.”

    - Jen Izaakson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,273 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Well, Huw Edwards and Philip Schofield saw their reputation gravely damaged by accusations far less serious than these ones - and neither of those resulted in any police action or court case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Tough for them. If they don’t report it they can’t complain that their rapes don’t get investigated.

    I hate thee media witch trials



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I see the "I'm not defending him, I'm just asking questions" brigade are out in full force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    RB can have millions of followers, but he won't have them, once he's in prison. Don't think the prison officers would allow him a mobile phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭moonage


    Of course I can see why many victims wouldn't go to the police.

    But why didn't Channel 4 and The Sunday Times encourage the five alleged victims to report this to the police and support them in doing so? Maybe because they'd lose out on viewership/readership—money over morality.

    Instead we have trial by media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well if you can see why many victims dont go to the police, and given the elapsed time, you have answered your own question.

    Your accusation of money is completely without merit or foundation. Did you miss the part where the programme criticised C4 itself? Or the point that if they lose a court case over this it would be hugely expensive?

    Yeah you had no answer last time either yet continue to repeat the same canard.

    We dont have trial by media. We have the media here doing their job and airing credible reports.

    Brand is free to vindicate his name in the courts in a trial - a trial weighted in his favour.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    As are the "everyone I don't like is far right" brigade.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Pretty crass remark when we're talking about rape...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,411 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So anyone who challenges your opinion hates women. Interesting.

    I have asked this question several times, was Brand asked to partake in the documentary?

    Mr. Brand has every right of reply. He's chosen not to take it and instead outsource his "reply" to Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Tommy Robinson, Lozza Fox etc., who have all allege conspiracy against him. His choice. We're more than entitled to infer things from that.

    Again this is 24 hours old.

    Like you said it took 4 years to produce, but his right of reply must be instantaneous.

    But again you have already made up your mind, so any defence he does mount if indeed he does is irrelevant to you.



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