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Dispatches channel 4 expose **Read Opening Post before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I think we all need to take a step back and see which side Musk lands on.

    /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    He’s already been out there defending Brand, along with Andrew Tate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It's not looking good for Brand and those that are defending him are showing themselves up for what they are. I never did like Brand and now I can see why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I can access the All4 app fine.

    Hopefully you'll feel differently about the 16-year-old, and his behaviour on BBC radio regarding his assistant and the newsreader who was on air during his show.

    The phone conversation with that predator. I had to turn the sound off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You've listed people you consider "conspiracists" and then describe Russel Brand as being part of a "Russian backed war on liberal democracy".

    What's the most important issue here? The allegations being made against Russel Brand and the repercussions of the same on his alleged victims or an opportunity to stick it to somebody on the "wrong side" of the political discourse and everyone even tangentially associated with them?

    Talking about wacky conspiracy theories, the notion that Russel Brand a man who has spent most of his adult life dressed as a cartoon pirate, is part of some plot masterminded by Vladimir Putin to destabilise "liberal democracy" seems a little far fetched to say the least.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Obviously the behaviour is the most important aspect, but it's grim to see people actually support him. And it's clearly just because *they* like *his* politics. They claim to be concerned about women's rights when it comes to gender ideology - but they're defending this scumbag. What's with the inconsistency? We all know the answer to that.

    And even setting aside the allegations, I thought staunch conservatives condemned levels of promiscuity that resemble those of a feral tomcat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    I think the recording with Saville is about the only half way solid, non-speculative, non-opiniony thing in the program thus far.

    Guilty of a weird creepy moment on the phone with the worlds biggest creep in like 2004 or whatever.

    Edit: Well that was a waste of 80 mins. Nothingburger. No shocks, no revelations. Hopefully any court case will be a great deal more interesting. Cause that sht could have been edited down to 15 mins.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    When Laurence Fox is defending Brand, you know innocence is now off the table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Honestly, judging from the majority of responses on this thread this story is more about discrediting Brands political opinions.

    If there is weight to these accusations it will be proven in the legal process that will follow on from this program being aired. Beyond that process we just have a load of hot air and half baked conspiracy theories about Russia using a washed up comedian and former drug addict to ruin western democracy, seemingly by posting youtube videos about the mainstream media which he only started as a smoke screen to defend against these allegations.

    It's all a bit as Russel Brand might say, baroque.

    If he's guilty of these allegations then he'll now face the consequences, all this other guff is frankly bizarre political point scoring.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    George Galloway is not a "fake leftist". He is from a prominent family of trade unionists in Dundee. He has been a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist his whole life. He was supporting Soviet Russia since literally 60-70 years ago when he was still a child/adolescent. He is not "right-wing" just because someone who rolled out of bed yesterday and decided to take an interest in politics thinks leftist=establishment and person-I-don't-like=rightist.

    Glenn Greenwald is left-populist. As is Brand himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Disgusted that the video on the front page of the BBC news site has no disclaimer that the woman in the video who describes the attack, is an actress, there is a disclaimer on the story page, in light grey small font.

    I gave up trusting the BBC a long time ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    They all went round the spectrum and met in the muppet section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,266 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's a bit odd to describe him as a 'victim' of conspiracy theories, when he is a leading conspiracy theorist himself (hence all that support this evening from an assorted bunch of cranks and headbangers).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Who said Galloway is rightwing?

    He's leftwing all right - albeit in this kinda way:

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    Russia hasn't been the Soviet Union for over 30 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    That's Galloway well explained. The man's just an old-school lefty and tankie. The type to defend communist dictatorships while lambasting western democracies. There's nothing right-wing about his beliefs.

    With Greenwald and Brand, I can see where the confusion can come from. Their incomes depend on building an audience and if capturing some of that gullible Fox/Infowars market, they'll refine their opinions accordingly so you'll see them on Tucker and RT as "sensible leftists".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    That's what you picked up from the thread?

    Honestly, your post looks more like a rehash or Brand's "get ahead of the story" video from earlier today than a conclusion that one might come to from reading the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    Why have you included RTE news in your examples ?

    Or have I let the joke go over my head ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The most coverage and commentary of the RTÉ payments scandal over the summer was on RTÉ.

    Ditto the Covid retirement doo etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Russell Brand, Pete Doherty, Amy Winehouse to name but a few were all glorified by the British tabloid media in the mid 00’s for wild drug addicted behaviour

    The British tabloid media gave them a platform which a lot of British public lapped it up and gave them a platform to self harm or harm others.

    Most of that tabloid media probably works for GB News continuing to horrendous behaviour.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Brand has flipped into conspiracy mode the last few years. Why? Because that's were the money is. He's a smart man.

    The allegations are disgusting though, and if true I hope he sees the prison cell for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Does Blindboy aka Dave Chambers still collaborate with him?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Don't forget Andrew Tate. Some rogues gallery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The whole point of the show wasn't just the specific allegations about rape or sexual assault, but about his behaviour and treatment of women as a whole, and how it was, as per the title of the show, "in plain sight". That he was allowed to get away with it all because he was a "cheeky chappie" who was popular enough that the likes of Channel 4 and the BBC ignored numerous warning signs and internal accusations, and ultimately ended up facilitating a lot of his abuse of women.

    Had Dispatched just aired some of the testimony in a half hour programme with little other content or the right context, it could easily be dismissed by Brand or his defenders as being a hit piece against him. But Dispatches showed more of a breakdown and pattern of his behaviour over his career, as well as how the media helped facilitate his behaviour, to show how his behaviour was always like that, how it progressed, and his general behaviour towards women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    There have been a lot of people turning a blind eye to RB”s behaviour for years, including his employers. It was him that the comedian confronted on set about being a predator in front of cast and crew.

    He sexually harassed the newsreader live on air. The young runners in Big Brother had to be kept away from him.He used his power to frighten and threaten people.

    The program a was only announced late Friday night with a schedule change for Saturday, which is not the norm, which means his lawyers could not block it any more.

    Dispatches is a long standing and reputable source who would be backed by the best lawyers, so the fact they got it to air would show he won’t successfully challenge it legally.

    Re the conspiracy theory stuff, as someone said above, it’s a very lucrative market to get into. RB has been paying a lot of legal fees over the past few years as this has been in the background.

    A cynic might also say that by going into the conspiracy theory world, he was deliberately planning his own defence as he knew this would break- “told you the matrix would come after me”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    If you're cheerleading a genocidal, imperialist war of invasion by a fascist kleptocracy, yes, you're a fake leftist, you're about as fake as it gets.

    Glenn Greenwald, who is another Russia cheerleader, is another fraud and faker and about as "left" as Gemma O'Doherty.

    There's an almost perfect venn diagram between cheerleaders for Russia and those who think the allegations against Brand are a "conspiracy". Funny that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It never changes. You can be sure there are still loads of Russell Brands and Philip Scholfields being protected and their actions covered up. It very easy to think of a few likely cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    I actually remember coverage of this at the time.

    Some of the news articles at the time made reference to Russell as a “charming scoundrel”.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    The most obvious ones to suspect are those men in the public eye with large platforms who came out to dismiss the allegations against Brand as a "conspiracy" without even knowing what the allegations were.



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