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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    It's like Groundhog day - whatvdate was the went in last year? Must be close.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080



    Christmas #NO.1- The AULD Triangle - by the Burke Family Choir! It will pay off any "Debts" accrued and embarrass the State!

    This whole schemozzle has been handled very badly. I'm starting to feel sorry for Enoch (and the inmates of the Joy) But, a cream pie into the face of Authority- well, the Irish get a kick out of that kinda stuff!

    There has to be some sort of hit song that comes out of all this, surely? If not, we've become too serious for our own good. State reaction to the Burkes is irritating me more than the Burkes.

    Let Enoch stand outside the school as long as he likes. The kids will measure their days in school by his presence.

    Grandad-" Arrah, I knew the lad when he was fresh faced"

    Grandchild (years later) - " Enoch looks like he is fading now grandpa"

    Grandad - "Arrah ,poor old Enoch-be nice to him-he made our school the most secure in the country. With himself guarding the gate - and the media guarding him and the gate-'twas the safest school in Ireland, loveen."



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Really? You think teaching the future citizens of the state that they too can disrespect the courts, ignore the laws they don’t want to follow and it’s all a bit of fun… Society can’t function like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Or teaching them that sometimes one must stand firm in a non violent manner for one's beliefs and the idea of verbs mea cogitationes meae.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,959 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    The freak can stand firm in a jail cell. His creepy carry on has been indulged for far too long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,806 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Contempt of court is the foundation on which the legal system is built. To allow continued breaches of a court order brings the law into disrepute. The principle of respect for the law is higher than Burke's own personal principles. He actively chose to breach the law rather than protest in a legal way. He should not be supported in his willful breaking of the law of contempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I was thinking that last night. If they just left him there then what’s to stop some other creep hanging around a school (or anywhere else that they’re not wanted) and saying “sure Enoch can do it so why can’t I?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,049 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    But he didn't 'stand firm in a non-violent manner'. Guns, knives and fists are not the only forms of violence. If anyone who had a difference with their boss about anything, not just religious matters, got their way by roaring and shouting and disturbing everyone else's peace then life would be chaotic.

    I do agree he is brainwashed and the whole family needs help, but again, you can't impose 'help' on people who do not want it, not until they are seriously out of control. In his case you would be getting dangerously close to the re-education methods of repressive regimes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oddly , a long time in prison might just give Enoch the time and perspective to consider his lot, and whether his family and their teaching has been a net positive in his life. Much is said of recidivism but incarnation can allow cause some proper reflection on one's life. Enforced detachment grom the Burkes might help.

    Course, it could also make him 3 times the evangelical extremist so it's a bit Kill or Cure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,175 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The problem is that Enoch is not. on the evidence given by the school, satisfied to stand in protest outside the gates contrary to the court order, he also enters the school grounds and the school buildings proper where the classrooms are as well. That entry is also against the court order which he was in receipt of.

    It's probably time that his case was given the attention of one particular high court judge and not whichever judge was sitting on the day the case came back before the high court.

    I'm not sure if a 40 day spell alone in the desert would allow him to wake up with a clearer vision of life's realities, except if he was given psychiatric assistance during his time in prison.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Sadly I don't think there is much hope for the guy... According to Wiki, the guy went to college, got two degrees, one in history and politics. And through all that somehow managed to avoid having the edges knocked of him.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Burke's are life as performance art.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And thankfully we've moved on from that reductive and dismissive mentality that thinks words don't have the power to hurt, cause depression, suicidal thoughts at their worst.

    The world literally runs on words, and the power of what is said why it's said and how it's said. "Sticks and stones" is a garbage aphorism.

    And frankly think you're messing considering you just chided someone for saying "freak"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Carefully worded there calling it non violent. Its not a "peaceful protest" with all his shouting and screaming, the families shouting and screaming, his trespassing on school grounds.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years Burke is still in Mountjoy refusing to purge contempt.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I said it before, those kids are a different breed. I'd like to have been a fly on the wall during their upbringing. Enoch will be in and out of prison for life and it won't bother him at all.

    Due to the cost to the taxpayer, this whole set up of home schooling needs to be seriously looked at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The court heard the school had tried to raise matters with An Garda Síochána but were told by gardaí that it was a civil matter. 


    I presume this teenager will be suing the state for wrongful arrest so.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's a civil matter because he's technically still an employee there so the ability of the Gardai to remove him isn't tied to simple trespass etc.

    The sooner the hearing on his formal sacking takes place the better.

    Then, the school can get a barring order and him turning up at the school becomes a criminal matter and not just civil or contempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,412 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I'm no mental health expert but there seems to be something very very wrong with that entire family.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,477 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    It has already been stated numerous times in this thread butysome posters seemingly cannot resist trying to make this thread about transgenderism. It is about Burke, his behaviour and the consequences of that behaviour. Stick to the topic or expect to be threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭John arse


    I’d say they’d be great fun at a party?🥳🕺💃🍻🥂🍷



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭Damien360


    If there was ever evidence that your childhood experiences from your parents shape you for the rest of your life, then this is it. Terrible shame because clearly they are all extremely intelligent. An awful legacy for a mother to leave her children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭Ardent


    There are only two explanations I see for his continued behaviour:

    1. He's batshit crazy
    2. This is all part of a grand master plan where he eventually and successfully sues the state for his "wrongful" incarcerations, to the tune of millions of euros.


  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He is making a "moral stand" which is outside of normal behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Doesn't matter if he is technically an employee. He has no reasonable excuse to be there.

    It shall be an offence for a person, without reasonable excuse, to trespass on any building or the curtilage thereof in such a manner as causes or is likely to cause fear in another person.

    Civil law does not nullify criminal law. To be fair to the guards they did arrest him for trespass and a file was sent to the DPP.

    I do wonder if a child of a government politician were a member of the school would this deranged creep be afforded civil law protections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    1. This is all part of a grand master plan where he eventually and successfully sues the state for his "wrongful" incarcerations, to the tune of millions of euros.

    I can't think of one other case where the patience of the state were so generous.

    Also in order to sue you would have to go to court and behave like a proper human.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...very likely autism is widely experienced across most of the family, we can have a very strong sense of morality and moral beliefs, it can become extremely dysfunctional though, as is the case with this family....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Never knew a symptom of autism was being a cúnt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...unfortunately, yup, it can be, but shur the same can be said for a million and one other disorders....



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