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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,713 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Unfortunately it's unlikely given that he topped the poll in Dublin Bay South last time around.

    A lot of how they will fare in the next election will depend on the constituency review being published today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    Is there anything they've ever done right?

    Doesn't he burn wood in his own house? In the middle of Dundrum? What a complete dick. Nice source of pm2.5 particulate emissions for the local kids to choke on.

    But let's ban gas boilers because it doesn't affect him personally because he's great.

    Heat pumps. Sure. That'll work well in an F rated house. The right type of heating is no heating but, of course, the BER system isn't setup for passive houses.

    Greens were big biofuel fans. Because not in our back yard and who cares if all of Malaysia is clear cut for biofuel crops. It's green because we say so.

    And insulation has 23% vat on it unless you've a pile of money to put down in one go and then you get a pile of grants. Have you thought about not being poor?

    The Greens put those stupid dual flush toilets into the building regs because of course that's a good use of the regs. Now everyone has toilets that you flush by putting your finger down a hole. Thames water in the UK is now urging them to be banned as most of them are drop valve type and most of them leak like crazy.

    Another failure that's not a failure because we don't measure water usage so lalalalala.

    Spent millions banning lightbulbs noone was really using anyway. They'd have banned CRTs next except they got hurled out in 2009. How many people know what CRTs are these days?

    Told us all to buy diesel cars because "green". If you could afford a brand new car your tax was 100 quid or something. My rarely driven Starlet was 380 quid. Now we do it again with Evs.

    Total failures. Outside politics they wouldn't get jobs shoveling manure.

    I think FF are terrible but they cleared plastic bags overnight with no effort at all. Didn't ban anything. Turns out if you ask people to pay a few cents, these things ban themselves. Who knew.

    Sorry for the rant. Social media etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    You really think this is going to happen before a general election so there is nothing in the works as you well know. Typical green bullshit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Guess who takes all their misinformation about what a ULEZ is from headcase Twitter and Facebook accounts.

    Right wingers and the Tories are using them to stir up anger against Labour, anything they can to try prevent the hammering that's heading to them the next election, when it was in fact the Tories that introduced them. So as a result all the discourse about ULEZs in the UK is purposely misinformed by their own government.

    Just look at the post by paddyisreal above, "Typical green bullshit", can't get much further from the greens than the Tories.



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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Remember when the last Green coalition was used as the mouthpiece to promote the government policy of fracking. They took a beating for been FG fool on that one.

    There is not a single Green policy that gets implemented which isn't what the FG/FF senior partners weren't intending anyway. It's just easier to let the tiny number of Green TDs take the flak for it.

    The Senior parties are in a delicate position of having to implement environmental policies out of the EU which they know will be unpopular with a sector of the electorate so they wait till they have a junior partner to get to promote all the unpopular stuff they had to do anyway. FG/FF will be very happy that they can use the Greens to attack the over powerful farming lobby and get some difficult policies under the fence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Yeah, people are deluded if they believe these policies aren't going to be government policies regardless if the Greens are there or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    the " typical green bullshit" comment was in relation to the op telling us that that ULEZ are on the way in Ireland. it was a typical green party ireland post where they are promising the world and deliver nothing. there is no way any ULEZ policy will be implemented in Ireland before the next election no matter what Eamon Ryan and the green party state so it is in fact "typical green party bullshit".

    how you are able to make any comparision between the green party in ireland and the political picture across the water is beyond me ....



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They will be implemented because it is the only way that the Irish State can meet its air quality obligations. It might not happen before the next election but it will happen because it must happen to comply with EU regulations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The thing is all over Europe in the next round of elections any party with "green" aspirations will be wiped out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Like I said, people are deluded if they think these are uniquely and solely green party initiatives that will disappear into the ether if they're not in government,

    Here's the mayor of Paris, from the Socialist Party, advocating for more in Paris.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    More delusion, it's the exact same shite the likes of the Telegraph tries to convince people, but their POV is purely from trying to keep the Tories in government.

    What's your excuse?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is little evidence of that. Greens are doing well in many countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Report out today on power generation in the EU

    Overall, fossil fuel usage down.

    The thing I seen that pointed me to this is this tweet

    Somehow this has saved us €100bn, but it's not mentioned in the article. Is this another bullshit claim?

    And why isn't Ireland included in the graphics? Or more importantly, the EUs driving force that is Germany? No mention of the extra coal they are using at all.

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    Slashed? Like it was done on purpose. The pipe was blown up FFS. And the gas was sourced from elsewhere

    The cynic in me would say there's a bit of cherrypicking going on here



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where did I give a timeframe for implementation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    The problem is that both parties support the Green Agenda. Labour is not going to give up on that no matter what. The tories will as the Green Agenda's popularity is waning and it wasnt very ideological with them to begin with. It looks like Labour has some serious headwind if they continue pushing green. One has to look at Farage or some other non green popular party to win votes. Look what happened in the Netherlands! And for that matter other EU countries. Pushback against the Green Agenda. Looks like peak Green has come and gone..about time.

    Ireland is usually late in shifting policies. Ff and FG' s hinterland is not to keen on connecting w the Greens again as they suspect that is the last thing voters would want outside Dublin..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    You must only follow certain news outlets as it is clear the Greens are on a down slope, even in Germany! The msm is in denial mode..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    The 'green agenda' is no longer the sole agenda of Green parties, it has been pretty much absorbed as policy by most political parties.

    The Tories were fully onboard and implemented much of what you'd call the "green agenda". They've now done a 180 on it purely for popularity purposes to try blame anyone else but themselves for anything that a vocal but minor percentage dislike. Just look at the anti ULEZ protest in London yesterday, a couple of hundred at most took part.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    In your own words "it's in the works" .... So you admit it wouldn't be implemented in the foreseeable future... Is everything on the green agenda delivered in never never land. Anyway your crowd won't be within a mile of power this time next year so it wouldn't be delivered in the next 5 years that's for sure



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn't admit anything, I said its in the works, nothing more nothing less. What you take from that is something you need to comes to terms with, has nothing to do with me



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some fantastic figures in that latest Ember report, full report below

    As I've maintained for a long time, while coal saw a bump due to putins war, its long term trend is only going one way. This year has seen a massive acceleration in its decline with it down by 23% year over year

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    The above chart also nicely illustrates how solar and wind complement each other nicely. As our own grid expands to include a load of solar this will become more and more apparent in our own stats as time goes by.

    Gas has also decreased by 13% year over year. Combined, fossil fuel power generation has dropped by 17% in one year. The report rightly calls this out as a collapse

    Now there is a gap opening where fossil fuels are being removed from the European grid faster than renewables are filling the gap, so some focus is needed to address that

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Combined, fossil fuel power generation has dropped by 17% in one year. The report rightly calls this out as a collapse.

    What a load of mendacious twaddle. Your own source says: "The fossil fall was predominantly driven by a significant drop in electricity demand, amid persistently high gas and power prices, a reduction in industrial output and emergency measures over winter."

    So this was pure and simply emergency rationing based on price/availability. Germany went into recession and there's a risk it will drag the rest of the Eurozone down with it. And that's fine and dandy because sacrificing the economy on the altar of the Green cult is exactly what they want. Tellingly, the German Greens still wanted to expand the amount spent on the energy transition. This blind adherence to the chosen path without regard for what is happening in the wider economy is exactly why I wouldn't trust Greens as far as I could kick them. Humans simply take second place in their natural order of things. When they tell you they want to save the planet you should believe them.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,713 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Indeed. Deindustrializing Europe and its associated drop in emissions will be a win because those beloved national emissions target cuts will be met and we can wave our progress cards around the place.

    I note with interest today that the constituency review will place a couple of dunces who should be nowhere near Government on a likely list of TDs who will be quite busy on LinkedIn come the days after the next election. Thankfully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Only in greenspeak does "its in the works" translate differently than everyone else.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As I said, thats something for you to work through



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aye, its almost like expensive fossil fuels are not appealing to consumers, funny that.

    Still, once we get fossil fuels out of the energy generation mix, power prices won't be subject to the whims of the fossil fuels market which is not know for its stability



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ps200306



    Aye, its almost like expensive fossil fuels are not appealing to consumers, funny that.

    What's funny is that you think they're gonna love the green alternative which is several times the historical price of gas.

    Still, once we get fossil fuels out of the energy generation mix, power prices won't be subject to the whims of the fossil fuels market which is not know for its stability

    Actually, the stability of fossil fuel prices is pretty remarkable outside of periods of war and pestilence:

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    What about wind power? ... hmm, seems to be heading the wrong direction, could be something to do with Green fixation on technologies that need unsustainable levels of energy commodities:

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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not sure what you are trying to prove by comparing fuel price versus generator price

    Also, the obscene spike masks the variability of gas price. Here, I've fixed that for you by excluding covid/putin related spikes.

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    Stable it aint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I think that report excludes a lot of countries. There's 27 in the EU, and only 20 mentioned in that report. Estonia, Germany, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta are all excluded. I don't think you can say anything about EU wide changes when 25% of the countries aren't included in the report! I'll go out on a limb here and declare shenanigans, especially since the authors of the report are firmly against coal

    Where can I sign up for power that isn't using fossil fuels? Until that's a choice, the consumer can whistle all they like, they don't have a choice. Plus, I'd also wager that renewable companies will be equally as greedy and you'll pay for future "green" power based on the whim of the "green" company



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,745 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Expensive electricity is not appealing to consumers either.

    For all their talk about the generation energy mix and prices being lower with only renewables, greens do not want to decouple gas or any other fossl fuel from the marginal pricing policy, funny that.



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