What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

randd1 · 28-08-2023 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037643#Comment_121037643

The Democrats don't necessarily need Biden to win; They just need to make sure Trump loses. So democrats need to start hammering home the the four messages to see them home when Trump is announced as GOP nominee;

1) Register early to vote, before they take your vote away, because the GOP are coming to take your vote. They already tried to dismiss your vote by staging an insurrection to overthrow the last election. They want to remove your vote. So register and vote when you can to stop him ending your right to vote.

2) A vote against Trump is a vote to protect an individuals rights to their own body. Trump is coming to take away your right of bodily autonomy. So register and vote to have the final say over your own body, not the Trump or the GOP.

3) Trump tried to steal the country. He tried to destroy American democracy. He tried to destroy the constitution. He tried to destroy your voice over how the country is run. Register and vote to protect American democracy and the US constitution from being destroyed by Trump and the GOP.

4) Trump is a traitor. He turned against the US and tried to destroy the authority of the people. He should have been tried for treason. And if allowed, Trump and the GOP will commit treason again by over-turning the will of the people.

Not exactly the cleanest messages, but you're not going to win a cold civil war by playing nice, and Trump and the GOP have shown, there's no gutter too deep that they won't into, which means that if the democrats want to win, they're going to have to get a bit filthy themselves. Trump and the GOP are a threat to the US, and ramming home again and again until it becomes a mantra to people that Trump and the GOP are traitors to the country, they're coming to steal your vote, they're coming to end your democracy and coming to take control of your body should be enough to get voters out against Trump as opposed to getting them out for Biden. Absolutely ram it home, video's, catchy slogans, all democrats rowing behind this one, the lot. All Biden himself would have to do is just keep the economy going.

And the best part, is that due to Trump and the GOP's own actions over the past few years, it's actually the truth.

Overheal · 28-08-2023 02:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036796#Comment_121036796

It’s like you’re being fed an alternate reality:

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/new-poll-trumps-lead-slips-after-skipping-gop-primary-debate-while-some-rivals-gain-ground/

mcmoustache · 28-08-2023 04:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037380#Comment_121037380

Where exactly do you think Willis could have prosecuted Trump if not Georgia?

Tippex · 28-08-2023 04:30PM

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1696182946799980557

NOW: Judge Chutkan sets March 4, 2024, trial date for Donald Trump's federal election obstruction case.

Trump's attorney John Lauro says they will abide by the order but want to note for the record that this will deny Trump's right to effective representation.

Tippex · 28-08-2023 04:33PM

The Arrignments in Georgia have been set for sept 6th for all the 19 indicted.

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1696156953200795878

Overheal · 28-08-2023 04:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039052#Comment_121039052

His lawyers like taking both positions: his legal spokesperson said he doesn't need any time to prepare for this case. Therefore his legal team suggesting this will deny him effective representation is at odds with itself.

https://nypost.com/2023/08/27/trump-doesnt-have-to-prep-much-for-trials-lawyer/

Tippex · 28-08-2023 04:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039073#Comment_121039073

Yep I seen that. It also seems tha Lauro started raising his voice in court today. Literally one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

amandstu · 28-08-2023 05:05PM

Good god .So soon. Arraignments in a week and a half! When does the actual trial start?

Are Trump and the other one still trying to get theirs moved to a federal court?

Tippex · 28-08-2023 05:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039218#Comment_121039218

Meadows is in the middle of a hearing at the moment. will be interesting to see the fall out from that.

There are so many strategies going on in Georgia its hard to keep up.

Overheal · 28-08-2023 05:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039239#Comment_121039239

They were all working in concert together, until they got arrested, now they're all freaking out in their own personal directions. To the folly of all the conspirators. This is the power of RICO cases.

Overheal · 28-08-2023 05:14PM

New FEC filing details hundreds of millions in money laundering by the Trump camp, put on your shocked pikachu faces

https://campaignlegal.org/update/trump-campaign-shell-corporation-funneled-617-million-according-reporting-based-clc

Tippex · 28-08-2023 05:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039250#Comment_121039250

indeed. I think there will be big problems for trump if there are 3-4 that request speedy trials to get out ahead of things. I get the impression they are going to say "but the boss told me to do it" and Trump's team are going to have to wrangle with that in his own case.

.Donegal. · 28-08-2023 05:26PM

March the 4th trial date set

everlast75 · 28-08-2023 05:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039239#Comment_121039239

So meadows was saying that he was acting in his federal capacity when doing what he was told to do by Trump.

Is that not leaving 45 out to dry?

Overheal · 28-08-2023 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039341#Comment_121039341

Completely. But also, there's a ton of evidence of Meadows doing things far outside his job description. Just one example,

So I don't expect his motion to succeed without some eyebrow raising captured-judge shenanigans.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/top-trump-aide-mark-meadows-visits-georgia-ballot-signature-audit/LC5HBS3AUVH4ZONJFSEL5RO2XA/

He tried to barge in on the Cobb County election audit with US secret service agents in a show of force but was denied entry and attempted to argue with officials that he was just there to investigate allegations... something that, in the circumstances there was actually such issues, would be handled independently by the FBI and DOJ.

Quin_Dub · 28-08-2023 06:12PM

Something of interest about Trumps arrest and bail in Georgia.

He used a bail bondsman to cover the costs.

Donald Trump the "Billionaire" , used a bail bondsman.

Now - He could have just handed over the $200k knowing that he'd get it all back when court proceedings began. I mean $200k for a Billionaire is the price of a good night out , but for some reason he decided that he wasn't going to do that.

Instead he went with a bail bondsman which means that he pays 10% of the fee which is non-refundable , so a $20k loss instead of just placing $200k from his vast fortune into escrow for a few months.

Why would a billionaire do that???

Also - The $20k non-refundable fee wasn't actually paid for personally by Donald Trump , it was paid out of campaign funds.

Again , if he's a Billionaire , why would he do things this way?

TL;DR - Donald "The Rapist" Trump isn't a Billionaire and was unable to scare up $200k in cash so he grifted the cash from his supporters...AGAIN.

Leroy42 · 28-08-2023 06:15PM

Using a bail bonds doesn't mean he doesn't have the money, but certainly means he didn't mid costing others the fee.

He could have used his own money, but I bet that everything, I mean everything, goes through the PAC or whatever slush fund he has. So he doesn't care that the bond cost a fee, it isn't his money.

Overheal · 28-08-2023 06:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039501#Comment_121039501

I've witnessed a campaign pivot (remember that new fear unlocked, Trump Zarek)? I think he is trying to appeal to a base of kanye west republicans of color who want to see him as the most notorious felon in US history and therefore, someone with immense 'street credibility' for someone who so rarely is seen off a golf cart, and who couldn't even identify what a DQ Blizzard was -- yeah, such 'street (honestly that moment is peak "his real name is Clarence" energy, "What the Hell is a Blizzard?").

eightieschewbaccy · 28-08-2023 06:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037635#Comment_121037635

That poster was similarly outraged when Washington was set as the location for the insurrection trial. Everything is a conspiracy rather than the logical location.

Overheal · 28-08-2023 06:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039538#Comment_121039538

Anything less than Amy Comey Barret performing a bench trial for his majesty in the dining hall of Mar a Lago live on Pay Per View, is a weaponization of justice.

28-08-2023 07:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036796#Comment_121036796

There is only one poll that matters, that's the one where people get to vote! What various other polls predict or bookies say is irrelevant, especially this far out.

IIRC in 2016 most of the polls said Hillary would win, look how that turned out!!

Overheal · 28-08-2023 08:54PM

Still no answers in the Meadows hearing today. They've been at it for hours with cross examination and everything. They've had long enough to listen to the whole Perfect Phone Call TM and then some

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-2020-election-08-28-23/index.html

Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows testified Monday that President Donald Trump’s January 2021 phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger was Meadows’ attempt to resolve Trump’s concerns about voter fraud and “land the plane” on the “whole transfer of power” to Joe Biden.

Trump’s concerns about voter fraud were a “roadblock” to the transfer of power, Meadows said. Therefore, Meadows said he tried to get this off the former president’s list of concerns by getting on the phone with Raffensperger.

Toward the end of Meadows’ cross-examination, Georgia prosecutors pressed him on the political nature of his call.

“I didn’t see that as a violation of the Hatch Act,” Meadows testified, referencing the 1939 law that prohibits federal officials from taking political actions in their official capacity.

Meadows was asked by prosecutors whether he believed Trump had won the state of Georgia at the time of Trump’s call to Raffensperger.

“I believed there were additional things that needed to be investigated,” Meadows said.

Meadows argued that some of the things Trump raised on the call did need more scrutiny to determine who really won the election. “In my mind, that was an open question,” he said.

Meadows said that the call with Raffensperger was “fairly lengthy” and said that the former president was talking about the “allegations of fraud that he believed occurred in Georgia.”

Meadows is now done testifying. He was on the stand for roughly 3 1/2 hours.

Meadows’ team isn’t calling any additional witnesses as part of the removal hearing. They are taking a short break and then prosecutors are expected to present their case.

There was nothing mentioned in the call about transferring power to Joe Biden at any point, the insistence from Meadows and Trump was that they had bonafide evidence that he won the election, that he wasn't supplying to GA, but Meadows and Trump exerted pressure on them to accept their allegations as findings and make a public announcement that would throw the integrity of GA's election into anarchy -- or else Trump would label them criminals, publicly disavow them, sue them, charge them with crimes and have them thrown out of office.

If he's saying it's not an offence under the Hatch Act that will be a really hard sell with the judges, when he has an admissible record of flouting the same law and denouncing it both in spirit and letter:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/26/mark-meadows-hatch-act-rnc-402194

“What it’s really designed to do is to make sure people like myself and others do not use their political position to try to convince other employees other federal employees that they need to vote one way, need to register one way or need to campaign in one way,” Meadows said. “We take it on well beyond the original intent of the Hatch Act.”

“Nobody outside of the Beltway really cares. They expect that Donald Trump is going to promote Republican values and they would expect that Barack Obama, when he was in office, that he would do the same for Democrats,” he continued. “So listen, this is a lot of hoopla that’s being made about things, mainly because the convention has been so unbelievably successful.”

Juries will love this one line. Mens Rea, Months of premeditation time. Fani Willis also hit him on the fact the Kurt Hilbert was on the call on their side - Hilbert isn't a federal employee whatsoever, he was a Trump campaign lawyer. It blows his assertion out of the water that the call was not political.

Water John · 28-08-2023 09:20PM

So Meadows by saying the Georgia result was an open question means, he didn't believe the Georgia officials who said Biden had won the election there. He was investigating this, which is way outside his role as a WH official. Was he attempting to get Trump to accept the result? The evidence is to the contrary.