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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What assets? He doesn't appear to have any, and I'd say he's made damn sure by now that he owns nothing beyond his satchel.


    Did you ever think that four years old was too young to introduce kids to constant imagery of a man being tortured to death in a gruesome fashion - the cruxifiction, just ICYMI.

    Did you ever think that seven years old was too young to dress little girls up like brides, and introduce boys and girls to a pseudo-cannibalistic ritual, where they eat and drink the actual body of a man who died two thousand years ago?

    Funny how all this 'oh their too young' only starts emerging now...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,785 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Eh no- the debate over at what age is sex education in either schools or at home, appropriate, has been ongoing for decades now.

    As you can see I’m not in favour of very early years being educated to the level of detail some modern books are now advocating for say 4 or 5 year olds.

    And eh what are you getting at me for talking about religious education? I’ve never mentioned religion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Well one ideology that has no basis in reality is pretty much the same as any other ideology. 🤔



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Did you ever object to education about torture and cannibalism for 4-7 year olds in the past?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That mum and dad one is actually pretty important. Any child who has lost a parent can get pretty with it being treated as the standard language. So it's entirely to do with compassion to consider the kind of language that you use with young people.


    Or it's the end of days for those who want teachers to be pricks and to never consider what's appropriate language depending on the scenario.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    • Mon August 28 – Fines x 214 Days @ €700 per day (27 Jan to 28 Aug inclusive) = €149,800
    • + €15k in damages for trespass.
    • + legal costs.


    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    The Hitch had a great speech about ideologies where he pointed out that "it's not harming anyone" and "it's just being nice" are the reason a 14 yr Jewish virgins lie caused so much grief over the last 2000 yrs. Those are the same type of persona now defending preferred pronouns etc. He would have a field day with the current cancel culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    "Parents" or "Guardians" is just as offensive as "mum and dad" in that case, being plural terms. So no, it's not "pretty important" at all.

    Life can be tough; stop encouraging a generation to find things for a tiny, tiny amount of people to get offended by.



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  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Enoch Young Weight


    **** it, he's an entertaining auld annoyance in a world of much more serious ****.

    Good lad Enoch 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I wonder did he spend the summer prepping his non-existent classes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,785 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yes many times - outside the Dail - I’ll route out the photos for you some day 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'd say that if they lock him up for breach of a court order members of his family will individually replace him at the school gate. They'll all be locked up before this is over and a fair amount of people will think it very harsh and get behind the Burkes out of some kind of sympathy. This could go on for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    Well I do...I think its a crock of shite tbh


    Avoid saying mum or dad, folks instead of lads and ladies .... ffs


    No one is excluding anyone, it's not humans you need teaching it's robots or AI...are people's skins so thin they would feel excluded by people casually using phrases like mum or dad? And would feel less threatened or less excluded if someone uses the phrase parents or guardians.....that's going to be a problem for them later in life I would think


    It's a degree of resilience people should be developing not subjected to an ultra cosseted environment where they are protected from everyday language ...what happens when they get into the real world?


    School has the benefit (and sometimes the drawback) for most individuals of meeting all types of people (private fee paying excepted perhaps) and that's not a bad thing because guess what they all exist out there in the real world ... an environment where relatively common place language is discouraged/prohibited/sanctioned is a bad idea(and what should be non-offensive ...as long as you are not deliberately calling a boy a girl or a they/them a specific gender etc) ..that's not accepting or inclusive as I would understand it at all.....


    It's a bad idea long term for all imo


    It's as nutty as Enoch Burke imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭BK5


    Quick question, how has he legal costs? Was he ordered to pay the school's legal costs?

    I don't think he ever used a solicitor himself, apart from the sister roaring and shouting beside him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,314 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Teachers have been using the phrase parent or guardian for years out of an awareness that all children's home circumstances are not the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    Agreed, and they have been using mum and dad boys and girls, lads and lassies, guys etc too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I wonder how much he has -

    A) Paid

    B) Plans to Pay



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    The answer to both questions is the same I think


    Zero


    Unless

    A) He agrees to pay a token amount on a mostly irrelevant technicality while appearing to win on the points he wants to win on (unlikely imo)


    B) The law actually starts applying/enforcing consequences that would be uncomfortable to those that break it in this case (I wouldn't hold my breath on this either).....it will be interesting to see what will happen with the fines though....not having to pay or not being forced to pay them or lose assets or not being made work off the debt makes a mockery of them imo...once again its only law abiding citizens that need actually fear the law and consequences in this country.


    C) He has a change of heart (the least likely)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I reckon your estimate of zero is about right.

    But I dont think he will ever pay them, to be honest. And he wont be forced to, either.

    As you say, a mockery of a judicial system, but thats modern day ireland.

    One of the negatives of being a wealthy country is that you can afford to take the moral high ground and let people off with not paying what is due.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Yeah he’s never paying these fines and it opens a whole can of worms for people who couldn’t be bothered paying for the tv licence, speeding fines etc.


    The legal system and country is a soft touch and now people are starting to realise it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He hasn't managed to get much sympathy to date so him bringing the rest of the family in on it, seems unlikely to change it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    It was a storyline on the US sitcom The Middle about 12/13 years ago too. They just rehashed that which someone rehashed from somewhere else.

    All these conspiracies and scare tactics date back centuries in different forms and are reused time and again. Dehumanising minority groups, fear of migrants, looney left etc etc etc.

    Unfortunately, it works on a lot of people so we keep seeing it.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    when your talking to a group, you say mums and dads meaning all of their mums and all of their dads. Same for guardians/parents. But the difference is that a child could have one parent and that's still included.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've no objection to mums and dads per se, but parents or guardians is more inclusive, as it also includes children not being raised by their mums and dads.

    I have no children of school going age anymore, but when I think back, there were more than a few kids in my child's school who were being raised by grandparents, other family members or foster parents.

    All it takes to use inclusive language is a bit of cop on, which I would expect most teachers (excluding Enoch Burke) to already have, when dealing with these matters, without needing to have it spelled out in a PDF.

    It doesn't have to be either/or, and it doesn't have to be a battlefield. All it needs is to be conscious that one size does not fit all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    It's been parents and guardians since I was a kid, and believe me that's no time recent. Mainly because, on any given day, the kids could be with their aunts, uncles, granparents, friend's parents and so on, so there were plenty of examples to make it practical.

    Unrelated - what's all this business about cats?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    There was a story doing the rounds recently about a child in school in the UK who identified as a cat, think it many even have made The Daily Mail (I know!!). Turns out it was complete nonsense, but that didn't stop the usual suspects sharing it to try muddy the waters for trans people.



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