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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Something I'm interested to ask: who's advising Trump right now? I don't mean legally so much as general strategy. He's running for president - who is his campaign team? Who's he conferring with? Does he have a Bannon or a Conway right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,504 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I presume the two Millars are still around, the speech writer and the other idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the ghost of Roy Cohn...

    I'm not sure who he has left that isn't already a target of prosecution or flipped or what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    I wonder if he will attend the Republican debates. Will be interesting watching if he does, if he declines to attend the rest of the candidates will just spend 2 hours bashing him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Barr enabled this sh1thead. That should never be forgotten.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Almost certainly not. He will reportedly counterprogram with Tucker Carlson,

    ultimately the speculation is he has all the clout here, and could even choose to turn himself in around the time of or during the debate to steal all the air from the room if he turns himself in on wednesday night or early thursday morning, to take the wind out of the sails of whoever won. That's according to the analysts on MSNBC anyway:

    'David Jolly: ‘Donald Trump will absolutely control this narrative’'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Pundits are leaning towards 'no' right now. Trump's political outlook has taken an extremely nihilistic turn, it seems, and I mean that relative to how he was before. There seems to be no policy, just pure rage and spite, and the base is lapping it up. This is the platform. There will be no detailed promises and no detailed policies. There will be "fúck you, fúck you and fúck you in particular".

    So while I certainly wouldn't claim to know if he'll attend the debate, it seems like he's done trying to convince anyone who is unconvinced, so why attend a debate? He's so far ahead of the pack that it's completely unnecessary, and he got to that point not be making cogent arguments but by being who he is or what he is. He's not the President of the USA and may never be again, but he is the leader of the Republican party and will be so for as long as he remains alive, I think. Verrry glad to be wrong on that, though, if I am.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Youtube algorithm says this is trending again

    The full phonecall with Raffensberger. Good time to review it imho.

    The whole intro rant... is like listening to a child explain why they didn't turn in their term project.

    But Mark Meadows tries to work the room as the GA officials push back, and Trump becomes more bullish, less than 20 minutes into the call your blood is cooking as you listen to what he is suggesting to them, that they just need to support the narrative that he won, based on XYZ conspiracy theory and his crowd sizes, and he gets increasingly frustrated that they cannot take the hint at what he really wants. About 36 minutes in he gets very impatient, and the incriminating explosion happens, where he starts twisting their screws, threatening them, and demanding 11,780 votes after unsuccessfully arguing for much larger numbers than that based on his ranting and raving narrative. Shortly after this there is some echoing - somewhere in some room with 2 of the people on the line, it goes to loudspeaker to begin recording..

    By 45 minutes into the phone call he's shoveling knowably false narratives at them, hoping they will bite at something, and encouraging them that he would take all of the criticism on their behalf and go attack Ruby on their behalves. Half an hour prior to this he refused and became combative with GA officials when they asked to be shared the same information he was alleging to be in possession of, and utterly screaming at them at one point or two.

    **** Mark Meadows, there is nothing about this phonecall or his shilling within it or his sitting quietly by that was in his official capacity. He can move his case to federal court in my hole.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump - I am completely innocent of all charges and I cannot wait to be vindicated at trial!


    Also Trump - could you put the trial back to 2026 please?



    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    His ramblings make Grandpa Simpson's sound cogent...


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It was going to be incredible, you were going to be amazed at what he had uncovered. I don't need to show it to you, but they should show it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It’s amazing that even DeSantis is starting to lick his hole again now.

    How amazing that we live in a world where Paul Ryan and Liz Cheney stuck to their guns and walked away, becoming among the most respected Republicans in the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,500 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I perfectly understand why a lot of "Rustbelt" Trump voters gave them their x in 2016. He was telling them what they wanted to hear and over the years they've become increasingly abandoned by both parties in the US. But Trump lied to them, just liked he's lied to everyone else. He used these people for his own ends.

    Thing is, in the 2020's, there's just no excuse whatsoever to be a Trump supporter. We all know who he is. We all know what he is. We all know the damage he does. Giving that piece of shit your x is like going back to the shark that bit off your left arm just to give him a bite on your right arm.

    But, yes, it really is a tragedy that poor people across America see this vile dirtbag as the solution to their problems. Desperate people in poverty turning to a man who lives in a golden tower who's only interested in using them for his own gain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,670 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Prosceutors are seeking 33 years in prison for Proud Boys leaders Enrique Tarrio and Joe Biggs. 

    Also: 30 years for Zach Rehl and 27 years for Ethan Nordean.

    They want 20 years for Dominic Pezzola.


    F**k around and find out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,480 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    They should run for election. As we all know, doing so means you can't be prosecuted for any crime, because it could just further political divide, and really, America needs to heal. Let people decide at the ballot box, rather than holding people accountable for the crimes they've been proven to have committed.

    FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT A TRUMP SUPPORTER!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    When you pine for the days of the NeoCon you recognise how far the GOP has fallen from its former status as the party of economic conservatism. They and the Tories: how have former traditionally sober parties got it all so long, and become so entrenched in mania?

    Thing is, in the 2020's, there's just no excuse whatsoever to be a Trump supporter

    There is one - however illogical and tenuous it may read: you support Trump 'cos want a king. Or a despot, same difference. Not like there isn't a cohort of Americans who are just obsessed with the British monarchy; while we've seen an equally hardened obsession with political or business dynasties - be they Clinton, Kennedy Trump or whoever. Deference to their whims is kinda baked in. Christ the narrative for Hillary in 2016 was that it was "her turn". I will always pivot back to Season 6 of The Simpsons from 1995(!!). As daft as it might seem to be, it tracks even to this day:

    Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down, you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals and rule you like a king 

    I absolutely stand by that otherwise satirical comment & think to this day you see that mentality with Donald Trump; some Americans want to be ruled.

    And again, Trump would behave in a manner befitting an autocrat without trying. Ignoring debates and the court of public opinion is the style a bully and tinpot autocrat would take, like he was beyond and above it all. Sure, thre's no law saying you have to take part in these debates, but to not to is to basically say you are an exception to be treated differently.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,480 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    DeSantis' debate strategy memo was leaked, indicating that he should defend Trump if Christie attacks him, by pointing out that Trump isn't here to defend himself etc, as well as say he voted for Trump previously because he respected him yadda yadda yadda.

    The only way DeSantis can win is by placing himself to be where Trump supporters go if Trump pulls out of the race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    He cancelled the presser! Probably on his lawyer’s recommendation since he’s already incriminated himself enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    But their instigator and leader shouldn't be jailed, apparently

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Yep, so DeSantis adopts the position of a replacement of Trump, while Christie the position of someone "anti-Trump".


    All bases covered.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    It's a long thread so I'm SURE it's been asked and answered before but is DeSantis looking to brown nose for the VP nomination?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    So for the Jan 6th case, the judge stipulated that if trump breaks federal or state law, he'll revoke his bail privileges and be jailed. Considering that the case is being tried in DC, if he breaks Georgia state law for his Fanni Willis/Georgia case, will that mean he's broken the conditions of his bail for the DC case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,480 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I doubt it. I'd say Trump's VP is more than likely going to be a woman. I think most of those running are doing so to either be there in case Trump does end up pulling out, or just to raise their own profile for higher positions in a GOP government and stake their claim for running again in the future.

    DeSantis at one point was a possible threat to Trump for the nomination, but he's completely shat the bed. Now he's too far in to drop out, and so long as Trump is in the race he's the primary target for Trump's jabs, forcing DeSantis into a position of looking weak against Trump because he still needs to placate Trump's base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,248 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think that could be Plan C.

    Plan A to win the nomination looks like a bust as long as Trump is in the mix.

    Plan B is to get the nomination because Trump is ko'd from it, hoovering up Trump supporter votes.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭randd1


    | Plan B is to get the nomination because Trump is ko'd from it, hoovering up Trump supporter votes. |

    I thought DeSantis was against any form of Plan B?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    This is the thing I really don't understand about all the people running for the GOP nomination (other than Chris Christie).

    Trump is leading DeSantis by 40%+ and the rest are a good deal further back.

    You aren't going to win over Trump voters by telling them that Trump is great and is a victim - You probably aren't going to win over Trump voters no matter what you do tbh.

    The only shot is to try to coalesce the Never-Trump and the "Not sure about Trump" voters around you as the single opposition candidate.

    According to polling a pretty decent number of Republicans think the charges are valid and a majority have an unfavourable view of Trump.

    So why not go after him ??

    Have they all just accepted defeat and are just playing for a VP Pick or a seat in future Cabinet??

    Neither of those are viable for DeSantis , so why isn't just going full bore after him??

    I mean , their opponent is facing 90+ charges and is currently out on bail in 3 different jurisdictions , about to be 4 and NONE of them are willing to use that against him??



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