Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

What's any of that got to do with the protests you were talking about?

I heard that talks are on for a new deal to match inflation is this true?

I have read talks are due to begin in September for the next deal.

The pay deal kind of did nothing and left the public sector scrambling for new entrants at the lower points of the scale. From talking to LA'S they aren't getting any applications in and I've heard that EO in Dublin is struggling with a 25% gap of staff.

The last deal is costing more on delays and errors than it would have cost to link it to inflation and allow a realistic wage for new entrants

There is no rush to start the talks I suppose. Current deal not set to run until October. Any new deal wouldn't kick in until 2024. Waiting until the budget is announced makes sense. People criticise the last deal. Taking the energy credits into account was fair. The backdating was great to have going into the winter.

I don't know what to realistically expect from this deal. My guess would be 5% over two years maybe? It won't match inflation and nor should it. There will be an adjustment in later years to catch the scale back up.

With inflation not stopping, 8% might be fairer. Likely, I will just follow whatever the Unions recommend. The increments are always so small, I barely notice them. They obviously stack up over time tho.

Why are energy credits taking into consideration every household received this it's not even relevant to our pay?

Because its a massive part of inflation. You can't say the cost of living crisis is out of control and inflation is X, we deserve Y increase without taking into account the cost of living measures the government have put in place. I would have thought that is reasonable and obvious.

Because people who make claims and then refuse to back them up get dismissed as bullshitters.

I served on a branch committee for several years, we got free sambos at our monthly meetings 😮 and I even got to the annual conference a couple of times which was OK but a long couple of days. You got a dinner and one glass of wine and anything else you paid for yourself.

Nobody was getting what you were claiming to go on protests, if you went on a protest you walked there, bought or brought your own sambo and did it in your own time off the clock.

You don't have to match inflation with every deal. Some years you will get a raise above inflation. Some years its below. Theres absolutely no way we're going to 7% this year to match inflation and then another 7% last year. Jesus wept if you think we will.

They are temporary measures to ease the burden and not create a cliff edge as such. Inflation was never going down and now people's salaries have been devalued.

In addition it seems near impossible to recruit new entrant with penny's they are offering at CO and EO level. A real deal would see alot of issue ironed out and have a knock on effect to the country as a whole.

When did we ever get a raise above inflation?

What’ year/period are you referring to, that we got rises in stages above inflation?

my guess any social welfare increases will be matched in the public sector on a percentage basis(a tenner on sw is near a 5% increase in a year), and if it's not matched I'll be leaving the union....