What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

16-08-2023 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986189#Comment_120986189

No, it's not accurate.

In the state in question, the judge spoke in accordance with their state laws; or at least their own interpretation of it.

If it were another US state, Trump would not have been labelled as such. He certainly wasn't tarred with that word when found guilty at the original trial.

Furthermore, you clarified my point yourself when you said that Trump is a "legally judged rapist".

In what other case of calling someone a rapist do we qualify it with the term, "legally judged"?

We don't. And there's a good reason for that.

everlast75 · 16-08-2023 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986238#Comment_120986238

Was the judge quoting the law, in the state the offence occurred?

Yes.

Therefore, it is absolutely irrelevant what another state might interpret the law to mean.

"If it were another US state..." = if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

Overheal · 16-08-2023 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986238#Comment_120986238

In the state in question, the judge spoke in accordance with their state laws; or at least their own interpretation of it.

If it were another US state, Trump would not have been labelled as such.

Another thing you didn't read: what the judge actually said

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

Contrary to exactly what you have said, if it were in another US state, he would have absolutely been found liable for Rape.

PropJoe10 · 16-08-2023 02:27PM

MSNBC is reporting that none of the attorneys that tried to overturn the 2020 election at the direction of Trump/MAGA have been paid, including Rudy. The general gullibility of Americans when it comes to Donald Trump is just absolutely staggering. On some level, people MUST know that this guy is literally the worst brand of scumbag/lowlife on the planet. He has a 60 year history of ripping people off. And yet, they still dance to his tune. Mind boggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fLjuigDva8

Penn · 16-08-2023 02:29PM

Let's also not pretend that Trump's election crimes had no victims. There has been a substantial effect of his election denial and refusal to concede. Hundreds of his followers jailed with their lives ruined because they believed his lies. People were injured and died both during and after the Jan 6th riot which was instigated by Trump. Dozens of Trump's inner circles now facing the possibility of jail time and ruination of their professional careers due to their part in assisting Trump. Death threats against numerous persons involved in counting/certifying votes because of Trump propagating lies about them. And an erosion of many people's faith in one of the cornerstones of the American electoral systems.

But I guess since he's running for office where he'd be able to avoid being held responsible for all that and be in a position to do it all again, he deserves a pass, right?

Overheal · 16-08-2023 02:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986280#Comment_120986280

I'd say they were going to be paid with pardons.

pixelburp · 16-08-2023 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986238#Comment_120986238

That is the most ludicrous attempt to wriggle out of a legal judgement I've ever seen.

Donald Trump was found to be a rapist in a court of law - anything after that is a pretty craven attempt to redraw reality to meet your own personal bias of support.

The only reason I'm even using the term "legally judged" is because you're desperately trying to ignore the judgement lest it require you to acknowledge the fact that indeed, Trump is a confirmed rapist. Of course, given the notoriously low conviction rates for rape, E. Carroll was "lucky" her rapist was famous enough to throw eyeballs on the case, ensuring it was taken more seriously than someone at our end of the ladder.

odyssey06 · 16-08-2023 02:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986238#Comment_120986238

If it were another state... like Florida you mean? Where Trump resides?

So yeah, Trump is a rapist. He is a rapist in Florida under its definition. He would be a rapist in Ireland under our definition.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil - that is the sum of your posts on this thread about Trump.

This is the definition of rape in Florida, and it is what the jury found that Trump in fact did:

As required by the Florida statute on sexual battery, the prosecutor must show that the defendant engaged in oral, vaginal, or anal penetration of the victim with a sexual organ or another object.

https://www.findlaw.com/state/florida-law/florida-rape-laws.html

everlast75 · 16-08-2023 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986310#Comment_120986310

"Confidence taken in. By a suntan and a grin"

- Depeche Mode - everything counts

Hoop66 · 16-08-2023 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986286#Comment_120986286

Either that, or this poster isn't posting in good faith and is simply trotting out RW talking points to get a reaction and can't keep them straight.

Overheal · 16-08-2023 02:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986367#Comment_120986367

!!!

everlast75 · 16-08-2023 02:41PM

https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1691762015784571084?s=20

oh the irony....

16-08-2023 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986367#Comment_120986367

Perhaps you should take the word of E Jean Carroll, who in 2019, accused Donald Trump not of rape, but sexual assault in 1996:

In mid-2019, during Trump's presidency, Carroll accused him of sexually assaulting her in early 1996; Trump denied the allegations.

The outcome of the trial:

Considering the preponderance of the evidence, the jury delivered a verdict that first stated that Carroll had not proven that Trump raped her, and next stated that Carroll did prove that Trump had sexually abused her, and also stated that Trump defamed Carroll with false statements made with actual malice in the October 2022 Truth Social post; thus the jury awarded Carroll a total of $5 million in damages from Trump.

I'm not "defending" Donald Trump. I'm saying that it's inaccurate to call Trump a rapist when a) E Jean Carroll did not allege that claim for the 1996 allegation and b) the jury established there was insufficient evidence to prove that Trump raped her.

It's a question of accuracy in language. I'm going to take E Jean Carroll's word for it, and the jury -- and not biased perspectives on this thread.

everlast75 · 16-08-2023 02:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986447#Comment_120986447

"I'm going to take E Jean Carroll's word for it"

Really!!?

So you admit he sexually assaulted her then?

Fantastic.

Quin_Dub · 16-08-2023 02:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986299#Comment_120986299

What about the two election workers in Georgia that Rudy accused of Election fraud?

I think that the claims about them feature among the charges in the latest indictments

They had to leave their homes and their jobs because of the threats and abuse they received.

They sued Rudy and he has essentially admitted his guilt but is currently trying to wriggle out of liability.

Loafing Oaf · 16-08-2023 02:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986346#Comment_120986346

"The tiny hands grab all they can"

odyssey06 · 16-08-2023 02:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986447#Comment_120986447

In the first instance, rape is a form of sexual assault.

It's entirely accurate to call Trump a rapist as per the judge's comments and the legal definition of rape in this jurisdiction, which the jury found Trump committed.

In the second instance you accept Trump sexually assaulted E Jean Carroll. And still defend him.

Overheal · 16-08-2023 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986447#Comment_120986447

“I’m not “D3#eNd!nG” him, BUT”

Penn · 16-08-2023 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986447#Comment_120986447

You're wilfully ignoring the following judgement against Trump, where he tried to sue Carroll. The judge stated:

The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1 As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.

Perhaps you should take the word of a judge who notes that, bar the stringent legal definition of the word "rape" in New York law which was where the trial took place, what E.Jean Carroll was able to prove meets the generally recognised legal and common parlance definitions of the word rape. The jury found that Mr.Trump in fact did exactly that.

Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Penn · 16-08-2023 03:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986485#Comment_120986485

Absolutely. I was including them in the death threats against persons counting/certifying votes. Their testimony to the Jan 6th Committee was heartbreaking.

amandstu · 16-08-2023 03:05PM

Are people still frequenting Trump's business establishments in this country when they are owned by man who has been found guilty of rape?

I would have boycotted his establishment well before this but who really would want to stay at a hotel owned by a man found guilty of rape?

Who would vote for him in the States for that matter?(people who look up to him?)

Penn · 16-08-2023 03:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986549#Comment_120986549

I'd also add that that judgement was made due to Trump trying to stop E.Jean Carroll from being able to say he raped her, and as such the judge is legally recognising that Trump can be said to have raped E.Jean Carroll.

Quin_Dub · 16-08-2023 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986447#Comment_120986447

They could not establish if the incredibly narrow definition of "rape" in New York had been met because Carroll couldn't be sure if Trump had penetrated her with his finger or his penis, but they unanimously agreed that he had shoved something into her vagina.

That's what you are trying to defend here.. Take a second and think about how utterly repugnant that is.

Pretty much everywhere else on Earth , sticking ANYTHING inside a person is Rape.

The Judge clarified that under any reasonable persons interpretation of the word , Trump had indeed raped E Jean Carroll therefore it is reasonable for him to be referred to as a Rapist.

Again , you are attempting to split hairs to defend a man that a jury has determined had forcibly rammed something into the vagina of a woman without her consent in the dressing room of a Department store.

Once again , take a step back and think about this.

Agent Coulson · 16-08-2023 03:13PM

I can just picture the Trump supporters who have had a family member sexually assaulted explaining to them why it isn't actually sexual assault.

Overheal · 16-08-2023 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986625#Comment_120986625

Or failing that why they need to keep it in the family etc.

Overheal · 16-08-2023 03:28PM

Trump sycophants gloating that Jenna Ellis is indicted in the RICO (because she works for DeSantis campaign now), and that Trump is not helping her pay her legal bills

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-boosters-mock-stop-the-steal-lawyer-jenna-ellis-for-being-charged-in-georgia-case/

Frankly I'm laughing with them, or really at them: they think it's hilarious now that they are going to have a weak link in their RICO defense.

odyssey06 · 16-08-2023 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986690#Comment_120986690

Is DeSantis a RINO now too?

Seems like unless you are destined for jail or conviction, you're not a real Republican these days.

everlast75 · 16-08-2023 03:34PM

A list of Trump's accomplishments...

91 criminal charges

26 sexual assault allegations

6 bankruptcies

5 draft deferments

4 indictments

2 impeachments

1 convicted company

1 fake university shut down

1 fake charity shut down

$25 million fraud settlement

$5 million sexual abuse verdict

$2 million charity abuse judgment

Penn · 16-08-2023 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986713#Comment_120986713

# And a partridge in ~~a pear tree~~ the wild overgrowth of his ex-wife's grave at his golf course #

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivana-trump-grave-weeds/

Hoop66 · 16-08-2023 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986616#Comment_120986616

You're still defending a rapist & serial sexual assaulter then? Good work.

You can come back, as you usually do, and claim that he "hasn't been found guilty of blah blah blah" if you like. I know he's a rapist and serial sexual assaulter. And so, deep down, do you.

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