What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

duploelabs · 12-08-2023 07:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970214#Comment_120970214

"perfect phone call" is something easy for his minions to remember and parrot

pixelburp · 13-08-2023 06:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970214#Comment_120970214

It's a phrase that irrationally irritates me: cos among all the stupid shít Trump has said, the constant wittering on about a "perfect phone call" as some kind of defence has struck as especially asinine and impossible to figure out.

How the F does one have a "perfect" phone call? Was Trump especially erudite that day? Was he happy with how good the connection was? Did Zelensky profess his love for this phone call? It breaks my brain trying to rationalise something so trivial and without substance as somehow worth celebrating - or defending. Or indeed, perfect.

It's like boasting about a perfect bowl of corn flakes I had for breakfast.

looksee · 13-08-2023 08:13AM

Its just Trump's very limited language skills showing. It suits his base to be fed simple phrases, especially phrases that are so unlikely as to be recognised as his. 'Like they have never seen before' 'like the world has never seen before' and other slight variations, is another one. Equally as asinine and not literally accurate. Just the same as all the childish name calling, his base recognises and relates to it, its easy for them to understand, it doesn't matter if the story or accusation that goes with it is complete rubbish, its like the chorus of a patriotic song, easy to repeat and identify with.

Rawr · 13-08-2023 08:19AM

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For some reason all this makes me imagine that people who are called by Trump get one of those «Customer Service survey» emails right after.

»How would you rate your call with President Trump?

Select one:

«Perfect»?
«Maybe even, the most Perfect call ever»?
or:
«People come up to me and say, «Sir, that call you just took, it was truly Perfect. It’s amazing»?

everlast75 · 13-08-2023 08:21AM

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1690424564684406784?s=20

Will you indeed?

When he finds out who flipped on him, we will see if he has the restraint to not attack them.

I anticipate compliance with the directions given will be near impossible for him.

everlast75 · 13-08-2023 09:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120958546#Comment_120958546

The people in favour of what's underway are by definition anti-democratic, yet they'll label Trump the "fascist" - who, even when in power, never implemented fascism to begin with, nothing even close.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1690431142069968897?s=20

@[Deleted User] - do you still think he's not a fascist?

"Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government".

PropJoe10 · 13-08-2023 09:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971657#Comment_120971657

Well, he's basically a very small toddler with attention deficit issues in a 77 year old man's body. So as you said, it's not realistic that he'll be able to keep a lid on his bullshit. I give it a week before the judge is issuing warnings.

ancapailldorcha · 13-08-2023 09:10AM

I don't think I'm ever going to fully get over that that guy was president. I used to think that even the stupidest of human beings would understand the concept of not talking about their own trial before it's over. Someone, somehow managed to make a better moron.

Agent Coulson · 13-08-2023 09:52AM

Gaetz with another call to arms.. "only through force do we make any change in a corrupt town like Washington, DC" while talking to Trump at a rally.

This is a guy who was caught on camera running like the real coward the last time his ilk used force and stormed the Capital buildings.

MAGA really does want a Civil War.

13-08-2023 09:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971700#Comment_120971700

Where in that footage did Donald Trump say that he wants to use physical force to take back Washington DC?

ancapailldorcha · 13-08-2023 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971784#Comment_120971784

MAGA is decadence personified. They want violence but only for other people, they want racism without being called out for it and they want fascism but only their preferred kind and for someone else to make it happen.

Agent Coulson · 13-08-2023 10:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971795#Comment_120971795

Trump has his MAGA puppets like Gaetz & Taylor Greene etc to say the words so he can say he never said those words when the racism & violence does happen he just stands there and smiles and nods along with the hateful rhetoric.

I would love to know where the real money men behind MAGA are putting their money for the long play hoping to make their billions if not trillions from Trumps games.

Penn · 13-08-2023 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971789#Comment_120971789

Where in the footage did Trump, currently facing charges for involvement in previously instigating and fanning the flames of physical force to prevent the results of the election from being certified, denounce what Gaetz (his guest at the event) said and make clear that he does not support such actions?

I think if you stand beside the guy saying those things, while nodding, and then don't say anything to the contrary, it's pretty reasonable to suggest he endorses the message even if he didn't say it himself.

13-08-2023 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971891#Comment_120971891

I'm really not so sure about that.

Gaetz says in the video that "we're going to win Iowa", the nomination and the general election. He's talking about working toward forcing through Trump as the victor in the election, not through a violent call to arms. He emphasizes to the crowd the need to "work ten times harder".

When you see the quote in full context, as I've outlined, you get a much more accurate perspective of what he actually said.

everlast75 · 13-08-2023 11:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971898#Comment_120971898

Don't *ever* become a defence attorney.

pixelburp · 13-08-2023 11:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971711#Comment_120971711

Nor I - and he may yet be President again. I think it'll prove to be a fundamental pivot in what and how America exists as a nation state, internally and as a geopolitical entity. The rot was there, the swamp if you will, and Trump merely the crystallisation of something always coming. The question is now whether America can grow from it all, or further nosedive into rancor and division. Or indeed, separatism.

Lewis_Benson · 13-08-2023 11:25AM

Jaysus if he gets back into office, that really says it all about America.

eightieschewbaccy · 13-08-2023 11:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971789#Comment_120971789

If Trump is successfully convicted for his role in the insurrection, will you accept the conviction or will you continue to muddy the waters?

duploelabs · 13-08-2023 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120972012#Comment_120972012

Poster has already said he doesn't trust juries as shown by the commentary of the E Jean Carroll case, so I'd say bring on the muddy waters

https://youtu.be/8hEYwk0bypY

Patrick2010 · 13-08-2023 12:25PM

Buried his ex wife on his golf course and can’t be bothered getting the green keepers to look after the grave https://twitter.com/bettybowers/status/1690543794830155778?s=46&t=I5Ng64p4m8u3ocgC9fbhIA

Penn · 13-08-2023 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971898#Comment_120971898

It's funny that you talk about seeing the quote in full context, while completely ignoring the part where Gaetz explicitly says "ONLY THROUGH FORCE".

So let's look at his whole comment and put it in context:

"Mr. President, I cannot stand these people that are destroying our country. They are opening our borders. They are weaponizing our federal law enforcement against patriotic Americans who love this nation as we should," Gaetz said.

"We are having a great time at the fair. We love standing with you. But we know that only through force do we make any change in a corrupt town like Washington, D.C. And so to all my friends here in Iowa, when you see them come for this man, know that they are coming for our movement and they are coming for all of us. And as hard as you see him work, I need you working 10 times harder, a hundred times harder. We're going to win Iowa, we're going to march to the nomination and we're going to save the greatest country."

Gaetz is speaking about people who he claims are 'destroying our country', 'coming for our movement', and 'coming for all of us' (ie. Democrats). And that "only through force" do they make change in a corrupt town like Washington D.C (where Trump is currently facing federal charges, and is the political capital of the country including where the Jan 6th riot happened).

So I ask again, where did Trump make sure to clarify that he doesn't support the use of "force"? Y'know, Trump, the guy who recently posted "If you go after me, I'm coming for you!"

Faugheen · 13-08-2023 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971970#Comment_120971970

He won’t be. Independent voters (who decide the election) left him in their droves in 2020 and there is zero chance Trump wins then back

banie01 · 13-08-2023 12:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120972012#Comment_120972012

EH has already made crystal clear that jury verdicts don't matter a whit to them. When the line moves from balance of probability to beyond a reasonable doubt? It's fair to assume that our resident contrarian wideboy conservative will continue to hold that anything resembling a guilty verdict would be "troublesome".

pixelburp · 13-08-2023 01:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120972250#Comment_120972250

Until 2024s election is done z anything is possible. Trump had a 1/3 chance in 2016 and we saw what happened.

Trump is chaos, and while I do subscribe to the idea of Once Bitten, Twice Shy alongside the trashfire of his presidency... American politics are too hopelessly partisan and factional to rule out a restoration of insanity.

Faugheen · 13-08-2023 01:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120972329#Comment_120972329

This isn’t 2016. Trump was seen as someone to challenge the political establishment (plus Hillary being a god-awful candidate) and the independent voters took a shot on him.

The partisan voters do not decide the Presidential election. It’s the independent voters in a small number of states.

This is 2023. Explain to me how independent voters, who turned on him in 2020, would go back to him now?

ancapailldorcha · 13-08-2023 01:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120972329#Comment_120972329

I'm fairly optimistic. The MAGA base isn't really growing as far as I can tell. There's no real reason for people to join it now compared to 2016 when Trump was a novelty, hadn't been twice impeached and wasn't formally convicted for rape. With regards to chaos, I think he's more like a storm on a weather forecast. We know where he is, where he's going and what he'll do for the most part. I'm not completely sanguine but I don't think the USA is about to discard a good president for a demented rapist.

pixelburp · 13-08-2023 01:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120972351#Comment_120972351

They won't. But I'm also not willing to rule out Trump being re-elected. Manys a slip twixt cup and lip, and all that. Trump is a known, failed entity but Trumpism is a clear and demonstrable infection within the American discourse.

While on the other side an already ageing president, and relatively unpopular VP, means the Democrats walking into the WH again feels ... fraught. Bidens a healthy octogenarian and the mental acuity angle total nonsense, but he's not getting any younger.

13-08-2023 01:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120972370#Comment_120972370

I believe the proverbial will hit the fan if Trump loses the next election.

If he loses again, Trump is likely to double down on a second "stolen election" and that may very well cause a minority of individuals to take up violence.

I'd say it's an almost guaranteed outcome.