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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,980 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I will be the first to admit that I know little about American social history, but it seems to me that the country has been practising for this situation for decades. Since WW2 they have been telling themselves that the most important thing was for each individual to have. Have goods, have status, have money. Be the greatest, be in charge.

    This meant each individual climbing on the backs of others to reach the top of the pile, making sure they each kept all their rights. The right to spend all their money on themselves, to buy education and health care regardless of what anyone else might need. The right to own and use guns to maintain their position. The right to create corporations and work with other corporations to make more and more money. The right to influence/buy political appointees at every level of society. The right to say mine, mine, mine. And to cover all this with a thin, over-polished veneer of respectability, family and religion.

    The country could do no wrong, it had might, and might is right. Children are faced with this every day of their education, swearing allegiance to the flag that represents the rights of those with money, and gaslighting those without money that they have 'rights'. Rights to make it big if they just work hard enough, in the meantime working for the crumbs that those who have already made it big tossed to them. Rights to feel superior to anyone with black or brown skin.

    Finally and inevitably it led to Trump. He can shout about patriotism, he can claim to have climbed to the top of the money pile, he can claim family and religion - they are as much myths as everything else about him - but mostly he is the epitome of shiny, self serving, made-it-good, manipulative authority. He can do anything he wants in the mind of half the country, and the ridiculous political system supports and encourages this.

    The other half of the country go along with most of this, but realise that rights also should include the right of every person to have equal standing in the country, right to healthcare, right to education, right to live within a functioning structure that supports them. The pragmatic amongst them realise this is in order to maintain public order and the overall health of the nation, the rest just think it is the right thing to do. These ambitions do indeed make cracks in the hierarchy that holds up the cold, fragile, shiny shell of Republican society, maybe they will tumble the whole thing, but it is not a society that can survive much longer unless it become an outright dictatorship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    It's his own fault that his attorneys are a joke. No reputable lawyer would work for him, considering his reputation for not paying his attorneys. It's all coming back to haunt Don now and it's great to watch.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There's that and the fact that he doesn't listen to his Lawyers and only hires doormats that agree with him and do what he says, which is why people with actual legal qualifications try to submit nonsense like they do.

    Because it's what Trump has insisted they do and if they want to keep the job (for whatever unknown reason) they do what he says.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Would be beautiful if we saw him convicted by March. And it'll only be the first lot of prosecutions...



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Given that they are all felony charges , he has to be sitting in court at all times.

    So he'll have to sit there steaming, through January and a chunk of February for this trial plus chunks of March and beyond for the other trials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    His supporters should be happy if they think he's innocent cause clearing his name before primaries is surely better.... 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Happy protective order hearing day 🎊🎉

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The majority of the EU etc view climate change to be a serious threat, it's most definitely not far left. Pretending we don't need to make fundamental changes and ploughing on and pretending it isn't an issue is far from rationale. Equally the Biden administration view it as a serious threat and the Biden Administration is not far left.


    Funnily enough, GOP members view climate change as a far smaller threat than most Americans. So while it ranks low on priority lists, it's not helped by the a party that has spent most of this century pretending it doesn't exist.

    Overall the GOP are becoming less and less representative of public opinion. Creating artificial controversies is what they rely on more and more so they loved the orange buffoon as a result. But it does fundamentally come down to how immortal and unethical a leader they're willing to put in power and the more we know of Trump, the more bottom of the barrel he is. Cause at a certain point, they run the risk of putting somebody in power that is dangerous to the foundations of the nation and Trump has proven himself time and time again to be such a person.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The American obsession with "Individualism" is the core of most of the things that the rest of the world find incomprehensible about the place.

    The US ranks ahead of every other country when measuring "Individualism" with only the UK and Australia coming close to them.

    This belief that absolutely no one is going to help you and that you must look after yourself and only yourself,is a strength in some ways but it has increasingly become a curse for the US as a society.

    That "Only you can help you" attitude is what has driven the entrepreneurial spirit that has led to some of the largest companies in the world and the huge successes therein but it also leads to the utterly broken society that they now have.

    "Individualism" is the reason they don't have proper healthcare or any genuinely meaningful social safety net.

    It's why Education is a for-profit operation. It's why they are obsessed with cutting taxes without any consideration for what the tax money was being spent on and so on.

    It also part of what drives the utterly partisan behaviours we see today - "You aren't like me so I owe you nothing and as such I consider any attempt by you to change things as a personal attack"

    Trump is the Apex of that obsession of Individualism , he cares only for himself and would happily sacrifice anyone and anything to "get his".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,592 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I trust that his phone will be confiscated \ ensure switched off during the trials so he will just have to sit there and take it.

    It will be torture for Trump. The steam will be coming out of his ears.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not sure , but I would imagine that attempts to post to social media by Trump during actual court proceedings would not be viewed favourably at all.

    Him having to sit there day after day and not be able to say a word while evidence is being presenting against him will just burn him up.

    I can just imagine the daily "explosions" from him after he leaves the court as he vents all the bile that will have built up all day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Indeed. I get the feeling that the GOP will not learn this lesson from the mid-terms. Abortion issues did a crap-load of footwork for the Dems and gave the GOP an extremely meager majority in the House...and little else. Donnie should throw his weight in with the Anti-Choice group, it would make the GOP's job all the more harder.

    Regardless of where you sit politically when it comes to policy, be it left or right, I feel that fighting against women's reproductive rights is the preserve of extreemist religious head-bangers. It serves no operational goal in a nation where there is no paid maternaty leave or any meaningful form of state child-support. It is simply a facade designed to villify the desire of people to have recreational sex. This is something extremist evanglical head-bangers will likely latch onto, despite all likelyhood that for many of them their objections to having sex out of wed-lock (& abortion) don't nessisarily apply to them personally.

    Which I feel is why you'll still find many of the evanglical crowd not only still endorse Trump, but also damn near beautify him as an actual religious figure. Literally "God's Chosen". They don't mind that he's as unfaithful, multi-devorced, letcherous scum bag, because they really don't mind that behaviour themselves...only wishing to put up the facade of this kind of "purity" culture, in order to remove the rights of other people who they might not nessisarily approve of.

    I feel that this is the level of moral bankrupcy needed to defend Trump, as as been illustrated on this thread lately by his fan club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭Economics101


    eightieschewbaccy: Overall the GOP are becoming less and less representative of public opinion. Creating artificial controversies is what they rely on more and more so they loved the orange buffoon as a result.

    The mystery for me is how a party whose views on loads of issues are either against the interests of so many, or against the views and preferences of so many, can do so well at the polls. If voters were half consistent, Trump and the Republicans should be at 20% or less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Scare tactics imho.

    They are being told 24/7 that democrats are communists, socialists, Marxist who want to steal your cooker/BBQ and want to turn your kid transgender.


    If you shut that pipeline of rage off, a lot more people would come around.


    It would take time of course.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Honestly, these parody accounts are getting worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    This is all linked to the money raised to "stop the steal" which was not spent on "stopping the non-existent steal".

    And because the money was not spent on the thing for which it was raised , that makes it potentially wire-fraud or mail-fraud.

    There is a separate investigation into PAC money being spent on Trumps legal fees but that is a FEC investigation and likely doesn't involve actual potential criminal charges at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Kinda like the Bannon seeking money to build the wall and then spending it himself.

    Of course, Trump pardoned him for it.

    That's how manifestly dumb his supporters are.

    He *steals* money from them, and they still vote for him.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,158 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    but because of far-left intersectionality and identity politics.

    Bull. Sh*t.

    Times 1000

    I went a long way in giving specific detail of how much of a fallacy statements like this are on the 'Dangers are coming from the right thread' until a mod decided to stop me posting on it. It makes me particularly mad to see you post statements like this in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

    You spent a lot of time on here complaining about the dangers of trans ideology and children being groomed. I saw a tweet yesterday that proved once again how that is nothing more that a culture war strawman right wingers throw in to the ring to try to focus the conversation in a particular direction. It pointed out the number of church leaders arrested in New York for crimes against children as being 8, the number of drag queens arrested in the same period? Zero.

    For someone who has spent so much time also preaching on what type of messaging is acceptable when it comes to sexual topics, you have some very concerning takes. I've seen you argue that it should be acceptable for landlords/tenants to have sexual relations in lieu of payment and yesterday/today that what Trump is convicted of doing to Jean Carroll is close to inconsequential, because it doesn't meet the literal definition of rape in some jurisdictions.

    Trump isn't the root cause of the dangers that afflict American society, no one here has claimed he is as you state (another strawman) but to use an analogy, he is the infection that develops in an open wound which makes everything worse and can lead to loss of a limb, or even death.

    In the last 7 years or so, we've watched the political discourse space take a nose dive and while massive players like Rupert Murdoch and the likes bear a huge responsibility for this in many ways, Trump cannot be absolved of blame for what he has done. What the UK is experiencing in the same way in their political environment is largely because of Trump lowering the bar so much, Johnson was now able to drag his a*se over it.

    And for you to then type the above and blame 'the far left and identify politics' is shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Matt Gaetz’s brilliant plan to make the GOP a dead party is to have McCarthy make a select committee of all republicans so the committee can have the votes needed to grant Trump whistleblower protection and thereby criminal immunity for testifying to Congress about ?????

    McCarthy will never go along with this but it’s hilarious to read.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The willingness to utterly debase themselves in defense of a man that would burn them to the ground in a heart beat to protect himself is staggering.

    How a man with a decades long history of showing absolutely zero loyalty to anyone, manages to generate this level of grovelling loyalty will never cease to amaze me.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm entitled to my assessment of the situation, and I stand by it. Did Trump amplify those pre-existing divisions? I'm not so sure about that. To some degree, yes. The depraved response to him even being elected shows how charged the opposition were on the matter.

    On Carroll, I do believe there are question marks over the entire case. Hatred for Trump is to such a high level among parts of the US that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if something shady was at play. I can't prove that to be the case but I think it's more likely than not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is some really weak dithering I have to say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,267 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    We await Chuktan's deliberation, court in session.



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